cue the smokey robinson, right? in large part it's a testament to financially just what a hardship it is to keep such a big show, a big production going? >> i think it was, again, astute businesspeople. feld entertainment runs, they produce walt disney on ice and big motorsports, and marvel comics, shows that have a lot less expense, a lot less personnel. certainly no animals to feed. so i think it's -- it was a business decision, unfortunately. >> so then paul, what's among your fondest memories of being a clown for this historic show? >> you know, it was great to do blind touch tours that -- in major markets, they would have kids who were visually impaired come down, and they would feel the skin of the elephants and experience the show. i drove the clown car, so we would pack the blind kids into the clown car and drive around the arena. that was amazing. to live on the circus train, to see this amazing country on the railroad was amazing. and i'm just a kid from kentucky. i got to meet people from around the world