why not snf becau?not? increases the budget maybe gsz it better. >> i would say this. the irs is systemically broken. i mean, you don't go out there and specifically target conservative groups unless there's something radically, internally, inherently wrong with the agency. and it sounds radical, maybe you do have to start from the beginning. >> again, charlie -- >> wait a minute. they targeted people. >> how many irs agents are there and how many were behaving -- >> they had a whole office. >> how many were behaving like rogues? >> wait a second. they had a directive from the white house. that's basically been proven. >> you don't know that. >> they said it! >> i'm not saying it's obama. that cincinnati office said they had a directive from washington to go after these groups. there's something systemically wrong. >> then punish the people who gave the directive. why punish all the agency? >> then to charlie's point -- >> because it's as inherently flawed. >> to charlie's point, when you have a few rogue people, that means those people aren't being supervi superviseed