to edward snowden?hee were pretty aware from beginning -- i think one of the important parts of the story is that we knew early on that what we were going to do was going to be at least as much about media and journalism issues as it was about surveillance. and the reason is, there is a set of unspoken rules that usually govern how media outlets handle stories like this. which is, if you get a lot of documents, what you do at most is you publish one or two stories, you don't publish any of the raw materials, you go to the government and extensively negotiate with them about what you can publish and what you can't. you take all sorts of guidance about what you should and should not disclose. you do one or two stories, then kind of walk away before you do any real damage or disrupt anything for real. you collect some awards, get some accolades, and just sort of leave the status quo be that show the country that you have done some real journalism. once we got the sense of how vast and sprawling this archiv

snowden has far more proof than he does.in is instrumental in a lawsuit, using his evidence to get the courts to stop the spying program. ten years before edward snowden revealed his bombshell, that the united states government was electronically spying on people

snowden as well. there are a lot of adjectives you could to edward snowden.naÏve is not one of them. he had a very clear understanding of how the international community would react to this finding. i think part of his hope for reform lay in the fact that most people around the world had no idea that the u.s. government was doing these things. they would demand that the government take action against them. he hoped that was one of the primary ways that reform could come about. host: kentucky on our line for republicans. the money. caller: -- good morning. caller: the information that you now know, is there any hope for some nuremberg trials in the future for corrupt politicians who are trying to start world war iii with russia? do you think the mainstream media will derail rand paul's 2016 presidential run like they did his father in 2012? guest: the last time i was on c-span, it was in conjunction with my 2011 book, which is a book about how political allegiance in the united states have committed the most egregious crimes you can imagine over the last decad

snowden went public soon after. have no intention of hiding who i am because i know i have done nothing wrong. the u.s. soon filed espionage charges against snowden and tried have him extradited from hong kong. within a few days snowden was in moscow. the pace of the are are stories slowed but they didn't stop. the collaboration between snowden and greenwald, a report published by the new york times the guard and why an der spiegel that the u.s. and british intelligence spied on germany the united nations, israel dprans and other allies. greenwald's new book exposes new details of how the nsa are cooperates with fbi and other agencies. >> all right richelle more on this now. greenwald's new book is called no place to hide and at times it reads like aa spy novel. when i talked to greenwald today, he told me sony pictures had just bought the movie rights to his book and i asked him what it was like to be in the biggest story of his life. >> it was like living in a spy film essentially because we knew a couple of thing

"inside the mind of edward snowden" starts now. good night. >>> over the course of the last year, edward snowden from being anonymous to being the most wanted man on earth. brian williams with the first-ever u.s. tv interview with, made huge headline this is week. tonight here, brian williams' landmark interview with edward snowden from moscow. >>> tonight, edward snowden's first interview on american television. >> former nsa director has said you have done significant and irreversible damage to the nation. >> the man who stole nsa secrets talks about what drove him to do it. >> sometimes to do the right thing you have to break a rule. >> and how he ended up in exile in russia. >> people are going to find it hard to believe that president putin hasn't taken a run at you or what you know. >>> tonight, the man who insists he is a trained spy. >> i'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker. >> and is wanted for espionage while insisting he's a patriot. >> you hear often in the united states why doesn't he come hom

edward snowden is a coward. he is a traitor, and he has betrayed his country, and if he wants to come home tomorrow to face the music, he can do so. >> an energized secretary of state john kerry who made those comments on the air today to our chief white house correspondent political director chuck todd. chuck is with us from the white house tonight. chuck, without exception, this is the position you hear on edward snowden where you are. >> reporter: that's right. here at the white house, he was channelling rage, frankly, that you sometimes hear from about edward snowden. i've had a similar experience with staffers, particularly in the national security wing, who when you talk about this, they want to have a sober conversation, and say, look, we're not going to get into a back and forth about edward snowden and you poke for just a second and hear that tone that secretary kerry was doing. that wasn't political theater. sometimes you hear anger that's political theater. that's real rage. the anger at edward snowde

snowden went public soon after. i have no intention of hiding who i am because i know i have done nothing wrong. the u.s. soon filed espionage charges against snowden and tried to have him extradited from hong kong. the pace of the leaks slowed but they didn't stop. thanks to the or ongoing collaboration between snowden and greenwald. a report published by the new york times the guardian and der spiegel said that the u.s. spied on the united nations, germfully and other allies. more details about how the nsa cooperates with allies and corporations. greenwald's reporting earned a pulitzer price for public service this year. the prize was given to the new york times and the guardian for publishing those leads john. >> no place to hide at times it reads like a spy novel. when i talked to greenwald today he told me sony pictures had just bought the movie rights to his book. and i asked him what it was like to be in the middle of the biggest story of his life. >> it was like living in a spy film. we knew a couple of thin

who is edward snowden? here's how the administration and congressional critics described him when he first exposed the secret surveillance program. >> no, i'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker. >> reporter: and this from the leaders of the house intelligence committee. >> i think he was lying. >> he's a legend in his own mind. >> he clearly overinflated his position. he overinflated his access. he's even overinflated what the actual technology of the programs would allow one to do. >> reporter: what do the records show? from our reporting the defense intelligence agency said snowden was a guest speaker at three of their conferences on cyber security including one in japan focusing on the chinese cyber threat. critics and supporters acknowledge snowden is whip smart, able to get in the system, know what he was taking, cover his tracks, plot his escape. micah is an nbc analyst and serves on an nsa panel. >> the amount of information that snowden was able to take from the nsa is truly

between snowden and an nsa lawyer last year, but there is no evidence yet of the paper trail that snowden described. in moscow, brian asked edward snowed. why he helicopter' complained to his bosses about abuses. >> when the president and others have made the point that you should have gone through channels, become a whistle-blower and not pursued the route you did, what's your response? >> i actually did go through channels, and that is documented. the nsa has records. they have copies of e-mails right now to their office of general counsel, to their oversight and compliance folks. oversight and compliance folks. >> what did you report? was the response? >> and the response more or less, in bureaucratic language was, you should stop asking questions. >> reporter: now under pressure from the senate intelligence chair and seven days after nbc first asked about snowden's claim, the nsa released one e-mail snowden wrote to a lawyer a year ago april, only weeks before he stole classified documents and fled. in it he raised a technical legal question, offering his opinion about which laws take

he met two journalists, edward snowden, from a hotel. "the guardian" published an exclusive on edward snowden's links. glenn greenwald's journey showed verizon was forced to hand over phone records. it was the first of torrent revelations and rehabilitations. the second revealed a programme called prism. showing the agencies had access to google facebook and others. >> president obama said: >> edward snowden went public: >> the u.s. soon filed espionage charms against edward snowden and tried to have him extradited from hong kong. within a few days edward snowden was in moscow. the pace of the leaks slowed. they didn't stop thanks to the collaboration between snowed where are and glenn greenwald. a disastrous story was a report published by the "new york times", "the guardian" - that the u.s. and british intelligence spied on germany, united nations, israel, france and other allies. glenn greenwald's new book includes more details about how the n.s.a. cop rates with allies and orptions. >> glenn greenwald niments and -- "new york times"

and snowden went off and found the grey shirt. >> my name is ed snowden. i'm 29 years old. i worked for booz allen hamilton as an infrastructure analyst for nsa in hawaii. >> what we see is someone who is calm, rational, persuasive. >> the nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone. it ingests them by default. it collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them. >> the language was clear, sympathetic. and when he did the interview it was as if he was a media natural. so we knew that when snowden went public it was going to be a huge story. >> why should people care about surveillance? >> because even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. >> and he sets out why he's done this thing, what his motives are, and basically sort of puts the ball in the court of the public and says, "you make up your minds as to whether this is right or not." >> these things need to be determined by the public, not by somebody who is simply hired by the government. this is the truth. this is wh

and snowden did particularly admire tom drake and what drake didn't have and that snowden decided heto provide documentary evidence of what he was saying to reporters. that would force the u.s. government to take on the questions in a substantive way. >> and force the government, he did. coming up, general alexander and his agency are dragged from the shadows of secrecy into the harsh light of public scrutiny. >>> to some, edward snowden's actions were heroic, to others, villainous, but all agreed his deeds represented a massive security failure at the nsa. >> he offered to resign, and i gave it to the chairman, the secretary of defense and the dni and they took it to the white house and everybody said no. >> he still had the confidence of the white house, but congress was growing skeptical. indeed, senator rand paul went so far as to file a lawsuit against the nsa for its bulk collection of data. >> we are filing suit in defense of the fourth amendment. >> where does that stand now? >> we're in federal court. we haven't had a ruling yet. it really is a question, can a single warrant

he is far from finished with the snowden archive. he has been saying there's more to come including even bigger revelations. as he told one interviewer quote i like to think of it as a fireworks show. you want to save your best for last. ladies and gentlemen please join me in welcoming glenn greenwald. [applause] >> thank you. thank you so much. thank you very much. [applause] thank you. thank you very very much for that extremely warm and generous welcome and thank you so much for coming out tonight and thanks as well to six and i at politics and prose for inviting me to this popular venue. i witnessed when i was an adolescent a large number of my friends being bar mitzvah and i never was and i discovered i had some lingering jealousy and resentment. i feel i get to compensate a little bit for that tonight. i have that surprise happiness about being here. book tours which i'm now in the middle of our singularly exhausting. but they are also really exhilarating. the reason they are exhilarating is because when you work on an issue or

and has edward snowden done damage? he's done immense damage. >> reporter: and john kerry's

edward snowden is a coward. he is a traitor and he has betrayed his country. >> reporter: daniel ellsberg, the vietnam-era whistle-blower leaped to snowden's defense today. >> secretary of state kerry's characterization of snowden was actually despicable. he knows that he could not get a fair trial, and i fully agree with him. >> reporter: in fact, brian asked snowden about it. >> you hear often in the united states why doesn't he come home and face the music. >> when people say, why don't you go home and face the music, i say you have to understand that the music is not an open court and a fair trial. >> reporter: that doesn't preclude, of course, talks that could still come over a deal with snowden. but administration officials say tonight that the first move is his. brian? >> andrea mitchell in our d.c. newsroom tonight. andrea, thank you. >>> a high-profile billionaire making a play for the l.a. clippers tonight. steve ballmer who ran microsoft will buy the team for an astounding $2 billion. a move that may

talk about who edward snowden was and is. what is his background? reveal things in his background that most people haven't talked about before. >> for my own personal experience, this is probably the most stunning part of the story. and it is what i spent a lot of time in hong kong trying to figure out and investigate through asking him questions. i still think about it, which is, what would lead a seemingly ordinary 29-year-old that his entire life ahead of him, someone very well adjusted by all appearances with a good job and a very good income and a great career and a girlfriend who he loves and a family who is supportive, to give up his entire life, to literally risk decades in prison, not to enrich himself or extract vengeance on somebody, but in pursuit of a political ideal? to confront an injustice he believes is taking place? what takes place in someone's mind and in their spirit and in their sole that leads them to engage in such an obviously self-sacrificing act? that is a really hard but important question to think about. what really stru

and snowden did particularly admire tom drake and what drake didn't have and that snowden decided he provide documentary evidence of what he was saying to reporters. that would force the u.s. government to take on the questions in a substantive way. >> and force the government, he did. coming up, general alexander and his agency are dragged from the shadows of secrecy into the harsh light of public scrutiny. (husband) that's good to know. ♪ ♪ ♪ i've got a to-do list and five acres of fresh air. ♪ top three tools -- hammer, screwdriver, front loader. happiness is a drive-over mower deck. a john deere dealer can teach tractors to anybody. [ don ] in the right hands, an imatch quick-hitch could probably cure most of the world's problems. [ male announcer ] that's how we run, and nothing runs like a deere. visit your dealer or johndeere.com/1family. >>> to some, edward >>> to some, edward snowden's actions were heroic, to others, villainous, but all agreed his deeds represented a massive security failure at the nsa. >> he offered to resign, and i gave it to the chairman, the secretary of

and snowden did particularly admire tom drake and what drake didn't have and that snowden decided hewas to provide documentary evidence of what he was saying to reporters. that would force the u.s. government to take on the questions in a substantive way. >> and force the government, he did. coming up, general alexander and his say generalcy are -- and his say generalcy are dragged into the harsh life of public scrutiny. sfrs how can i ease this pain? (man) when i can't go, it's like bricks piling up. i wish i could find some relief. (announcer) ask your doctor about linzess-- a once-daily capsule for adults with ibs with constipation or chronic idiopathic constipation. linzess is thought to help calm pain-sensing nerves and accelerate bowel movements. it helps you proactively manage your symptoms. do not give linzess to children under 6, and it should not be given to children 6 to 17. it may harm them. don't take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain especially with bloody or black stools the most common side effect is

a look at where snowden goes from here.d morning, tracie. >> they sat down for five hours and we don't pay you and you answer all the questions. a lot of questions whether he stays in russia and whether he comes back here to face charges or whether he wants to come back to the united states. >> if i could go anywhere in the world, that place would be home. >> reporter: but for now he's in russia charged with espionage. edward snowden the man who blew the cover off the u.s. government's mass surveillance program says he considers himself a patriot. >> being a patriot means knowing when to protect your country and knowing when to protect your constitution and your countrymen from the violations of an inroachment of adversaryies and they don't have to be foreign countries. they can be bad policies. >> reporter: snowden insists he tried to work with in the system complaining repeatedly to supervisors before fleeing the country and going public with documents bearing extensive details of the nsa phone and online surveillance. >>

snowden as well. there are a lot of adjectives you could to edward snowden.naÏve is not one of them. he had a very clear understanding of how the international community would react to this finding. i think part of his hope for reform lay in the fact that most people around the world had no idea that the u.s. government was doing these things. they would demand that the government take action against them. he hoped that was one of the primary ways that reform could come about. host: kentucky on our line for republicans. good morning. caller: the information that you now know, is there any hope for some nuremberg trials in the future for corrupt politicians who are trying to start world war iii with russia? do you think the mainstream media will derail rand paul's 2016 presidential run like they did his father in 2012? guest: the last time i was on c-span, it was in conjunction with my 2011 book, which is a book about how political allegiance in the united states have committed the most egregious crimes you can imagine over the last decade. from torturing peop

edward snowden, out of the shadows. the man responsible for the largest intelligence theft in our nation's history, giving his side of the story to brian williams, covering his actions and life in russia and 9/11 and even the smartphones we all carry every day. >> until now, it was largely theoretical for most americans but edward snowden's claims made the government's extensive capability very real. >> people at nsa analysts can actually watch people's internet communications, watch them draft correspondence and watch their thoughts form as they type. >> the law says targeting individuals for surveillance requires a secret court order. in practice, snowden claims that doesn't work. >> the problem is that the capabilities themselves are unregulated, uncontrolled and dangerous. >> i want to ask you about this device. what can the nsa do with this device if they wanted to get into my life? >> they can turn it into a microphone. they can take pictures from it. they can take the data off of it. that's pretty scary. >> it wa

and why snowden facing espionage charges here in the u.s. says he is now trapped in russia. >> i stopped because the united states government decided to revoke my passport and trap me in the moscow airport. so when people ask why are you in russia, i say, please, ask the state department. >>> and that's exactly what the "today" show did. >> well, for supposedly a smart guy, that's a pretty dumb answer, frankly. >>> gr day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we'll have more on edward snowden, afghanistan and a lot of other issues. >>> but first, the world lost a powerful voice for freedom today. maya angelou died at her home. she was 86. a look at this truly phenomenal woman. >> ladies and gentlemen, maya angelou. >> best selling author, prolific poet -- >> i wrote this piece for every human being on earth. >> reporter: -- and so much more. maya angelou was an activist, actor, nominated for a pulitzer, and tony for her role in the mini series "roots." but angelou's place on the world stage didn't come easy. her life struggles fueled her work.

snowden is one person who doesn't seem to be cashing in on his name edward snowden is very bright and i think he probably does not care for this kind of nonsense the action figures the comics accept but there isn't much he can do about it the money making machine surrounding the former cia contractor could be viewed as conflicting with his goal of fighting against mass surveillance and an infringement of privacy rights by the n.s.a. the more you inject comic books and action figures into something the less serious then other people take it well. some of the attention may be inane glenn greenwald the journalist who broke the snowden story says selling movie rights and releasing a book on the topic are all in an effort to spread the word on privacy issues in the u.s. even if he does make a buck i don't make any apologies at all for having written a book i've been working on surveillance issues for eight years i want to maximize every platform that i have to go around the world and talking about why these surveillance policies are so dangerous the intentions of those capitalizing on snow

snowden did particularly admire and what drake didn't have and that snowden sdecided was to provide documentarye of what he was saying to reporters. what would force the u.s. government to the question in a substantive way. >> force the government he did. coming up general alexander and his agency are dragged from the shadows of secrecy into the harsh life of public scrutiny. hey! [squeals] ♪ [ewh!] [baby crying] the great thing about a subaru is you don't have to put up with that new car smell for long. the versatile, 2015 subaru forester. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. for $175 dollars a month? so our business can be on at&t's network yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues... great terms... let's close. new at&t mobile share value plans. our best value plans ever for business. the numbers are impressive. over 400,000 new private sector jobs... making new york state number t

. >> edward snowden speaks. the man who spilled government secrets said he did it for your the good of the country and indicates he wants to return to the united states. >>> and remembering an icon. a look back at the life of poet and activist maya angelo. captioning funded by cbs captioning funded by cbs >>> this is the "cbs morning news" for thursday, may 29th, 2013. good morning. good to be with you. i'm anne-marie green. the investigation into veterans affairs administration is expanding. a preliminary v.a. report found scheduling delays and efforts to cover that up throughout the v.a. system. 42 centers are now under investigation. a spokesman says president obama calls the findings extremely troubling. susan mcginnis is in washington. susan, good morning. >> anne-marie, good morning. it is up to the president now. he says he wants to see the report and if the allegations prove to be true, there would be accountability. the question is does the accountability go all the way to the top of the v.a.? the inspe

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edward snowden is a coward. he is a traitor.his country. >> reporter: daniel elsberg the whistle-blower leaped to snowden's defense. >> secretary of state kerry's characterization of snowden was actually despicable. he knows he could not get a fairly trial and i fully agree with him. >> reporter: snowden seemed hopeful writing in his e-mail response writing the following. but as for coming home to, quote, face the music, snowden says the music is not an open court affair trial. andrea mitchell, nbc news, washington. >>> joining me again is ed o'keefe of "the washington post." you heard there secretary kerry and ambassador rice but you do not hear such direct and biting comments and usually couched in diplo speak. >> i think secretary kerry's comments really encapsuled best of all. you guys had a great thing going you were asking people to talk about whether he is a traitor or a patriot. i think in kerry's estimate at least patriot airs his grievances or willing to go to court if they broke the law. thinking back to the vietnam e

the american people should believe snowden on this well you know snowden made very clear and i think credibly so that he entered the nation of russia with no documents whatsoever either on paper or a digital ear on any of his computers or drives or anything else and i think he made a persuasive case that just for his own wellbeing he would have himself of any of that material and he gave it to journalists before he ever arrived into russia. i think also you have to ask you know motives what would benefit edward snowden if he gave and shared this information with the russians see clearly would like to leave he never had any intent to arrive there in any event the revocation of the passport in the blockage of any latin america country kept him there what's his motive to lie about what how does it benefit him and think on the contrary how much it benefits all his detractors to make up or throw these insinuations out there the fact is if mr mccall has some evidence it's got to be more than speculation something like that would never be admitted in a court of law as is relevant to that de

snowden. the contractor's story has now been made into a comic book. silicon valley unlocking the secrets to making the perfect toy for children. we discuss all these focus groups, all these tiny workers. let's begin this hour with news on beats. i'm joined by eric chemi. jon erlichman from los angeles. and cory johnson from severn cisco. jon erlichman, i went to begin with you. give us the details of this deal. >> there is $3 billion for the beats business, still relatively a young business. in terms of the reasoning that apple is giving for this deal, there are a few factors. we talk a lot about technology companies doing acquisitions for talent. in this case, they are bringing very talented music industry players on board. if you think about what beats has been trying to do in its evolution, going beyond the headphones and now into the subscription music business, a business that it feels needed to be reinvented the same way they felt that earbuds needed to be reinvented. if you combine tha

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snowden has far more proof than he does. but mark klein is instrumental in a lawsuit, using his evidence to get the courts to stop the spying program. ten years before edward snowden revealed his bombshell, that the united states government was electronically spying on people on a massive scale. >> i didn't do anything right away because i was scared. >> reporter: there was mark klein, who accused the nsa of doing the same thing. the 69-year-old says he felt relief that another person would corroborate his story, but with actual nsa documents. >> when he came, i was delighted. it was a personal vindication for what i was saying. he also revealed the programs that were vastly bigger than i understood at the time. >> reporter: as a san francisco-based at&t technician in 2003, he installed splitters that sent a copy of communications data to a secret room set up by the nsa, in his office building. >> i knew right away, that was completely illegal because they weren't doing anything selection process. they weren't using any warr

returning to the snowden issue, john kerry told chuck todd, if edward snowden were really a patriot,e would have done what daniel elsburg had done, stand trial and defend himself. >> if this man is a patriot, he should stay in the united states and make his case. patriots don't go to russia. they don't seek asylum in cuba and venezuela. they fight their cause here. there are many a patriot. you can go back to the pentagon papers with dan ellsberg and others who stood and went to the court system of america and made their case. edward snowden is a coward, he is a traitor and he has betrayed his country and if he wants to come home tomorrow to face the music, he can do so. >> well, today the famed pentagon papers whistleblower dan ellsberg is sounding off about kerry's comments. he joins me now from california. mr. ellsberg, thank you very much. tell me why you responded so strongly to what secretary kerry had to say? >> secretary kerry was once a hero of mine along with a lot of other people, did a very credible role in front of the foreign relations committee and denouncing war crime

edward snowden is a coward. he is a traitor, and he has betrayed his country. and if he wants to come home tomorrow to face the music, he can do so.

i am not a spy. >> russia granted snowden and for every asylum. he said he would apply for an extension. u.s. secretary of state john kerry challenged snowden to man up and come back to the united states to face trial. but snowden said he would not simply walk into a jail cell. >> i don't think there has ever been any question that i would like to go home. i have from day one said that i'm doing this to serve my country. >> u.s. authorities have ruled out amnesty for snowden and said that he should trust the american system of justice. snowden, for his part, says he sees no chance of getting a fair trial if he goes home to the u.s. >> moving on to business news, the u.s. economy shrunk in the first quarter for the first time in three years. analysts say the severe winter had a far bigger impact than previously thought. >> figures from the commerce department show the national economy contracted, but analysts are still expecting robust growth for the year as a whole. there was a bigger than expected drop in weekly jobless claims, and consumer spend

snowden ever communicate any concerns about the nsa's interpretation of its legal authorities? >> now about that last point there about the paper trail that snowden says exists within the n sarks. so far, nbc news learned from multiple sources that snowden did indeed send at least one e-mail to the general counsel's office raising policy and legal questions. we have filed a request under the freedom of information act to look for any other records. and when we continue here

. >>> edward snowden is holding firm to his claim that he did blow the whistle about nsa abuses beforehe leaks. leaving a paper trail to prove it. his interview with brian williams. >> not just officially, in writing through e-mail, to these offices and these individuals, but to my supervisors, to my colleagues, in more than one office. >> under pressure the nsa after a year released one e-mail, the sole e-mail it found from snowden to nsa lawyers but snowden has fired back about that release telling the "washington post" today the picture painted by the nsa is incomplete. i'm joined now by jerry mabash

edward snowden the nsa and the u.s. surveillance state. >> i think if you look at the surveillance abuses of the past, the principle question has always been on whom is the government spying domestically and for what reasons, which who are their targets. and that's the missing part of the puzzle in terms of the public reporting taking place. >> rose: who the target are. >> who specifically are the target domestically, u.s. citizens, domestic persons inside the united states. the investigation we're currently working on the and when the reporting we're doing is to enter that question in a very comprehensive way. >> rose: we conclude this evening with writer christopher buckley. >> i was once speaking at a civic event in ohio. they're very nice. they're much nicer than we are in the east, although they're very nice in the carolinas. and it was one of those 11:00 in the morning things. the audience, a civic auditorium of a thousand blue-haired ladies and silver-haired ladies. my host, who was a sweet sweet person introduce

>> for one thing, edward snowden didn't want that. he came to me and actually demanded that we enter into an report reported. if he wanted to do that, he won't have needed me. he could have uploaded those to the internet, himself. i think his belief -- and it's actually a belief that i share -- is that the impact from these disclosures is higher because we took the time to report the stories one by one, explain to the public what their meaning was, did reporting around them and let the public digest each individual story rather than just dumping them all on one. >> is there information in there that could put people in danger? >> anything is theoretically possible. we have made the decision to with hold some information. >> because it was too sensitive? >> wasn't news worthy and had the potential to create halfway for innocent people. that was the process we engaged in for every document we released. as to weigh those considerations. >> how many more documents? >> many more stories to go. i can't quantify them for you. among the bigge

inside the mind of edward snowden. traitor? we have the first broadcast interview. >> i want to ask you about this device. what can the ns ado with this device if they want to get into my life. >> they can turn it into a microphone. take pictures off of it and take the data off of it it. that's pretty scary. >> not one more or the new normal. chicago mayor rahm emanuel among lawmakers pushing to change gun laws as america's latest mass murder collides with america's gun culture. >>> hillary rushes in. her hard choice this time is how to tease her new book, but how much of that is building anticipation about a possible run in 2016? good morning.

. >>> plus huge reaction to the nbc exclusive with edward snowden. >>> the thrill of victory on and off the ice. >>> and rescued from the brink. it's friday, may 30th. early today, rather "first look" starts now. >>> good morning. i'm richard lui. $2 billion. that's how much the l.a. clippers may be going for at the moment. the wife of donald sterling released a statement. it says she signed a bidding contract by the sterling family trust to steve ballmer. ballmer says he intends to do everything in his power to ensure the clippers continue to win in los angeles. he also thanked shelly's willingness to entrust him with the franchise. the sale comes ahead of the a tuesday hearing because of insensitive remarks he made. an attorney for sterling telling nbc he has not agreed to sell at any price. they each other 50% of the team. >>> now to more than 100 lawmakers from both parties at what the firing or resignation of eric shinseki. one administration official saying he's, quote, on thin ice. good morning to you tracie potts. what's the temperature now? >> reporter: the temperature heating

his exclusive interview with snowden on wednesday.

government wants snowden to go away.hey're so sick of explaining to our allies all the revelations, all the damage that's come out. but still here he is speaking to his audience. i think after tonight's broadcast or last night's broadcast, the question should he be brought home for some kind of plea bargain reduced to charges and some trial would be one the administration would have to deal with. >> john, do we have secretary kerry? i want to show you this. this is the administration's position at this point and the outrage in his voice. take a look. >> what he's done is expose for terrorists a lot of mechanisms which now affect operational security of those terrorists and make it harder for the united states to protect our nation. if this man is a patriot, he should stay in the united states and make his case. patriots don't go to russia. they don't seek asylum in cuba. they fight their cause here. there are many a patriot. go back to the pentagon papers. those who stood and went to the court system of america and made

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edward snowden, edward snowden fancies himself a whistleblower, but he is a traitor. there are two ways to go about this. there are channels you go through to be a whistleblower. then you are not exiled. now if he comes out put him in a cell with chelsea manning and don't give her make up. >> they have a term and it is unemployed. or prisoner. >> well, buck, i want to be fair and balanced. is he a a hero and b a patriot and c america's favorite son or d all of the above. >> can i go with either? with e? >> in that case it is awful the above. what i find problematic is he is not just i was a spy and i was really cool, now we say the nsa is full of cat ladies. lots of ladies with cats and they have headphones on and listen to stuff. that's what the nsa is. there is no ninja stuff. why did he release information the u.s. was doing outside of the u.s.? that's any question any real journalist is -- should be asking. there is no whistle blowing in china or russia. maybe there is a debate about clemency, but he shouldn't be talking about the other stuff. there is no rational