then came snowden. not many journalists can say they were there at the center of both stories the way james ball can. he was an in-house journalist at wiki leaks before joining the guardian where he worked on the snowden files with glen greenwald. you can bet the bulk of the e-mails relating to the nsa and gchq were encrypted. >> story did the nsa tapping into the cell phone has james ball's name on the by line. eventually, he was named as one of the recipients of the pulitzer prize the guardian won for its work on the snowden story. i sat down with james ball in london to get his take on encryption, source protection and journalism in the post edward snowden era. >> james ball of the guardian, thank you for joining us here today. >> thank you. >> in your communications when he was setting up the interview, did you en crypt it? >> we did not. >> why not? >> because unfortunately, while we all should en crypt all the time. >> yes? >> in theory, in practice, you can't get anything done. every day we have

the head of the right livelihood award foundation says snowden was honored for exposing illegality by his own government. talks we decided on five laureates this year and they all live up to the idea behind the award to offer real courageous, practical solutions to global challenges. snowden is living up to this ideal in the same way that earlier laureates have when it comes to criticizing his own government as this government is breaking the law. >> snowden's prize will go toward his legal fund.

snowden is a hero to andy who is off today suspiciously. andy did release an official statement regarding these snowden revelations which i will read now. greg gutfeld was right and i am wrong. i was a stupid jerk for suggesting he was anything but a traitor to his country. greg is the greatest and i am in the awe of him every day. especially how much he can bench press. sincerely, andy levy. ps, cats are my only friends. i think victory is mine, tom. doesn't it make sense that snowden tipped the world off about our security program so why wouldn't isis benefit from that? >> and why were the bench press numbers off? >> i might by the end of the show be up to 380. >> does neb believe that stuff? does anybody believe that stuff? i thought he was being glib in philly. >> he believed snowden has had no affect whatsoever on security. >> this should change his mind. >> if he comes back. i am seriously thinking about having him killed. >> snowden is bad. the thing is how did he -- we want to blame snowden, but he is bad. why were these guys workin

. >>> nsa leaker edward snowden is being honored. he is recipient of the swedish human rights award. according to his web site at ward is given for courageous and effective work, human rights, freedom of the press, civil liberties and combating climate change. foundation also says that it will fund legal support for snowden. the department of justice has charged snowden. he faces up to 30 years in prison. he is currently living in

stone has acquired the rights to two snowden books.led "the time of the octapus" and the other "the guardian who is not glen green wall." will he be the rat he is or will he undergo a hollywood makeover? count on accuracy. it is to start filming in munich this december. snowden continues to live in i disguise. >> that was great. i am going to you first, andy. i have a lot of information about snowden. they had to i discontinue for upsetting other countries. it lead to the death of innocent people. defend this terror-loving freak. >> i want to talk about casting. there is not a lot of physical similarity. he is a fine actor and he will do a great job portraying one of the bravest people i know. i think oliver stone made a mistake. "time of the octapus" is actual porn. stone likes the weed and other stuff. i think maybe he what mislead there. >> after years of smoking weed you get scriesy. -- crazy. i think if you want to be an idiot, be an idiot. how did i get on this topic? >> do you think snowden is a traitor or are you wrong? >> here

. >>> snow snow -- edward snowden says the n.s.a. is setting up a facility to tap into vast amounts of data of new zealand ers. new zealand prime minister issued a statement saying that new zealand spy agency has never undertaken mass surveillance of its own people but edward snowden says new zealand agencies collect information for

. >>> edward snowden, the former u.s. intelligence worker who fled the country after allegedly leaking classified information is accusing other countries of spying on its citizens. during a satellite appearance from russia, snowden told a group in new zealand that the prime minister was not telling the truth when he denied about knowing about mass surveillance. he said prime minister john key was aware that new zealand's domestic spy agency routinely gathered data on its citizens. key has been quoting as saying mass surveillance was considered

i think for us ton snowden thing -- for us on the snowden thing, we wanted tore instantly transparent because rumors were written in the press that people backdoored our servers. none of that is true. zero. we would never allow tha that to happen. they would have to cart us out in a box before we would do that. if we ever get information -- and we finally got agreement from the national government to release how many times we had national security requests on apple and it's between 0 and 250. that's the lowest number you can quote, 0 to 250. >> charlie: could have been 249. >> correct. so you can tell we have hundreds of millions of customers, so it's a very rare instance there

>> most of the celebrities have no idea who edward snowden is. number two, when snowden and assange release classified information it was actually a government -- there is a law that governs secrets and classified information with the penalties that you will receive if you are convicted of that. there is no law about nude photos. i was really surprised there are no hack pictures of of men. >> that's an interesting poimt. there was one guy, but it was a baseball pitcher. he was taking pictures of his naked feet. i should go to you, joe. you are the expert on this. why is it women and not men? >> the female body is beautiful. the male body isn't so much. i don't know many women that say yes, i got a picture of his parts. >> let me add it to the collection. >> there is always one. there is always one. >> you know what is funny, it just goes to show you men who do this are generally nare saw cystic -- nacisitic. i will send this out. women are better looking than men. >> but it is men who always do the hacking and the leaking. >> i figure the taliban

this is edward snowden. edward snowden is a traitor to the united states of america.applause] i say to you now that edward snowden is a traitor. edward snowden was given the most confidential trust. he was granted a security clearance so that he could have the availability to get information. he betrayed that security clearance. he had a job in which he had trust. from his superiors. he betrayed that trust. ton the time came for him light out and take his information available and undermine the security of the the united states, he told his boss he was going back to california for a medical treatment, got on a plane and went to hong kong where we know he was under communist or his -- jurisdiction and ultimately ended up in russia where he has received an extended time of good treatment and asylum in russia. sooner or later, the russians are going to come to their senses and realize they are not going to be able to put the soviet union back together again. being part of the western community of nations is a benefit to the russian people. and when they do, one condition

first, we never said snowden is a hero. by the way.hat we suggested was that in these documents that he provided us and "the guardian" that there was information that the public had a right to know and that had important public policy implications. and that probably should lead to a debate such as the one that we are involved in here today. we never suggested that the public is not concerned about terrorists. we are concerned about terrorism. we cover it every single day. and by the way, we feel it very acutely. individual who was recently beheaded by the islamic state was a journalist and there are other journalists who are being held by terrorists throughout world. so we're not pollyannaish about that subject. we didn't say that a majority of americans favor greater restrictions on the nsa. in fact, we conducted our own polls which showed pretty much what was reflected in the polls that peter cited. nonetheless, to say that when three say restrictions should be increased, that's a substantial portion of the population. just because s

this is edward snowden. edward snowden is a traitor to the united states of america.ay to you now that edward snowden is a traitor. edward snowden was given the most confidential trust of the people of the united states. he was granted a security clearance so that he could have the availability to get the information. he betrayed that security clearance. he had a job in which he had trust from his superiors, he betrayed that trust. when the time came for him to light out and take his information and make available and undermine the security of the united states, he told his boss he was going back to california for some kind of medical treatment, got on a plane and went to hong kong. where of course, as we know, he was under the communist jurisdiction at this point and then of course ultimately ended up in russia where he has received now an extended period of time of good treatment and asylum in russia. ladies and gentlemen, i believe that sooner or later, sooner or later, that the russians are going to come to their senses and realize they're not going to be able to

isn't edward snowden worse than these adolescent hackers?sense we are now bottomless and topless when faced with the russians and with terrorists. >> i wish i had a simple and witty -- i would just say that hacking is illegal. in both cases it is illegal. the problem is edward snowden says what people think what he did is good, but he stole information that has no bearing on the u.s. constitution. he should be in jail for this. it doesn't mean you can't get away from everything else. >> the other stuff was good. >> i'm sure ted bundy was nice to his mother. >> i don't like what -- >> you can't shoot 10 people to get to one guy. >> should they ago we yeses to a code of dress? wal-mart workers are upset about their new uniforms which makes us wonder. are mandatory pants pointless? we will discuss this in tonight's -- >> "red eye" debate, 2014, live from the" red eye" debate center. >> live from the "red eye" debate center. i am greg gutfeld and according to gawker, they are complaining about a dress code that goes into affect later this month.

first of all we never said snowden is a girl, by the way. what we suggested was that in -- was a hero by the way. in the documents that there was information the public had a right to know. and that had an important public policy implications. and that probably should lead to a debate such as the one we are involved in here today. we never suggested the public not concerned about terrorist. we are concerned about terrorism. we cover it every single day. and by the way, we feel very acutely the individual was recently beheaded by the islamic state was a journalist and there are other journalists who are being held by terrorists throughout the world. so we're not pollyannaish about that subject. we didn't say that a majority of americans favor greater restrictions on the it is a. in fact, we conducted our own polls which showed pretty much what was reflected in the polls that peter cited. nonetheless, to say that one in three say restriction should be increased. this is a substantial portion of the population and i don't think just because som

the head of the right livelihood award foundation says snowden was honored for exposing illegality by his own government. talks we decided on five laureates this year and they all live up to the idea behind the award to offer real courageous, practical solutions to global challenges. snowden is living up to this ideal in the same way that earlier laureates have when it comes to criticizing his own government as this government is breaking the law. >> snowden's prize will go toward his legal fund. the other recipients are alan asmaprinter -- rusbringer, jahangir, >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. >> on wednesday, egyptian president abdel fattah al-sisi delivered his inaugural speech to the united nations general assembly meeting in new york. he applauded his nation for "revolting against corruption and despotism was goat and vowed that egypt under his rule would respect freedom of opinion and religion. >> from this podium, i first support the great people of egypt that made history twice over the past few years. f

>> snowden's prize will go toward his legal fund. the other recipients are alan asmaprinter -- rusbringer, jahangir,

the issue of the significance of eric snowden and what the u.s. government has done.lum in russia. he wants to come home. >> in general, what we have seen in combination with perpetuating illegal federal government practices in the national security area is on the other hand secrecy and protecting government secrets. the legality and the secrets are braided together. what is particularly troubling is when journalists or other whistleblowers who try to expose the secrecy, the response has been to crackdown in an unprecedented way on journalists, on whistleblowers, by using a fairly odious 1917 law called the espionage act which was designed to repress dissent during wartime. it is now clear that edward snowden has done us a service by illegality inp the federal government and widespread surveillance that the government tried to keep secret. i think that he need not be thished in the same way as administration has tried to punish other journalists and whistleblowers, including julian assange. the phrase most often used in describing eric holder and president obama is sa

we have an interesting case coming up that is now after snowden people can prove they were surveilled. it will be interesting to see. but one thing i talked about in the freedom of association even more than speech i was concerned about these because he was afraid to associate with his friend anymore. what the big data is is a way to build the associations. people who crossed the data say what they love about it is is you suddenly realize that people that by so fast that under under their furniture are a credit risk and you would never see that in the other data because it was too small. but we do have a history of protecting the freedom association. in the alabama case they wanted the list of numbers and the naacp and if he upheld the right to keep the list private. now the thing is they are no longer private because you have the young muslim man of santa clara who was entering into that by the digital trail that he left behind. >> in addition to those concerns cummings was identified fourth amendment concerns and you actually went to the former east germany and found out what they k

snowden -- didn't raise any red flags whereas the first thing an intelligence agency should do is counter intelligence. i do think that we're collecting enormous amounts of data, there's a serious loss of privacy. if we were doing some useful things with that data, i would

the aclu filed suit after the secret surveillance program was revealed through a leak by edward snowden. government officials defend the process saying it's designed to detent and disrupt possible terrorist plots. the case may eventually end up

this is edward snowden. edward snowden is a traitor to the united states of america.use] that edward now show dennis a traitor. snowden was given the most confidential trust of the people of the united states. he was granted a security so that he could have the availability to get the information. betrayed that security clearance. hadad a job in which he trust from his superiors, he trade that trust. when the time came for him to light and take his information and make available and undermine the he told histhe ud, boss he was going back to california for some kind of medical treatment, got on a went to hong kong, where of course as we know he's under the communist jurisdiction point, and then of course ended up in russia where has received now an extended period of type of good treatment in russia. ladies and gentlemen, i believe that sooner or later, sooner or later, that the russians are going to come to their senses real nice we're not going to be able to put the soviet union again.gether one condition the united states should place is the return of trial, as aden

. >> so amon, is this really the caption on this, how edward snowden changed american business? >> yeah, absolutely, the disclosures as you saw right there said by clapper really led a lot of american companies to reevaluate what their cooperation is with companies and if it raises their bottom line, it raises questions about the companies' responsibilities are to law enforcement and intelligence and to the united states versus to their customers. >> what is corporate america's obliga customers? >> you know, there is a legal answer to that question, which is that they have to follow the letter of the law and if they get a warrant and have the ability to turn over the information they have to do that. and then there is sort of a moral and political and ideological answer to the question that i'm not qualified

we have an interesting case coming up that is now after snowden people can prove they were surveilled.

very little positive affect towards snowden. the general public doesn't view snowden as a hero. put another way, this is a public that the nsa could work with. this is more of an nsa kind of public i think than a ron paul public. there are, of course, very outspoken minority groups that hold to a ron paul view but in general the public is more sympathetic to what the nsa is doing. the second proposition is that the public is not panicking about terrorism nor is it sanquine about the terrorist threat. the public is still quite worried -- this is now 13 years after 9/11, still worried about terrorism and they are actually even more worried about terrorism than they have been in a decade, that is the 2014 data is higher than the decade ago. 34% say terrorists have a greater ability today than terrorists had on 9/11 and a decade ago you would only have had 24% who say that. and about a third of the public thinks that the president has made the country less safe in this area. and all of this data is before attorney general holder said that the isil terrorist group was more frightenin

very positive affect toward snowden. the general public doesn't view snowden as a hero. put another way, this is a public that the nsa could work with. i mean, this is more of an nsa kind of public, i think, than a ron paul public. there are, of course, are very outspoken minority groups that hold to a ron paul view, but in general, the public, i think, is more sympathetic to what the nsa is doing. the second proposition is that the public is not panicky about terrorism, but nor is it passive. they're actually more worried about terrorism than they've been in a decade. that is, the 2014 data is higher than a decade ago. 34% say terrorists have a greater ability today than terrorists had on 9/11. and a decade ago you would have had only 24% that said that. only 30% of the country thinks the president has made the country less safe in this area. before secretary hagel, the secretary of defense, described the threat in apocalyptic terms. this is a public before the most recent revelations. third, my third proposition is because of those first two propositions, the politics

foundation also says that it will fund legal support for snowden. the department of justice has charged snowden. he faces up to 30 years in prison. he is currently living in russia. >>> up next, you'll meet one heck of a teenager with quite a golf swing this teenager pulled off a much bigger feat on the fair way. >> hole in one twice. >>> don't forget to wake up at "action news" team get top news headlines, weather and traffic start agent 4:30 a.m. news headlines, weather and traffic start agent 4:30 a.m. only on six some people think vegetables are boring. but with green giant's delicious seasonings and blends, we just may change their minds. ho ho ho green giant! you say avocado old el paso says... zesty chicken and avocado tacos in our stand 'n stuff tortillas . (record scratch) you say stand n' stuff tortillas old el paso says... start somewhere fresh a 16 year-old golfer is being cheered tonight after doing the seemingly impossible. hitting two holes in one, in a single match. she didn't even realize what she had done. "action news" reporter ev

because of edward snowden not because of congress.this kind of secrecy is characteristic during wartime. secrecy also i believe leads to misguided decisions of the type of the bay of pigs where we have the cia for casting people rising up against fidel castro and it was a disaster. president kennedy said he wished "the new york times" had beaten them to the bay of pigs the board could save him from that kind of folly. aside from that its basic principle that in the united states fleet of people are sovereign. we get to decide their own destiny and how does that occur? we don't even know what the government is doing. and then a third major is invariably cripples civil liberties. safety is always viewed as privy so the right to be let alone crumbles. due process and we had military commissions that combined the prosecution and adjudicative function with the founding fathers is the definition of tyranny superseding civilian clerks. we have surveillance with the nsa but recently these of surveillance drones to watch we are going when we w

when he hadwin snowden took the classified u.s. intelligence documents and make them public, he knew his e-mails could be intercepted by the same people that the story was about.

more details ahead. >>> snow snow -- edward snowden says the n.s.a.is setting up a facility to tap into vast amounts of data of new zealand ers. new zealand prime minister issued a statement saying that new zealand spy agency has never undertaken mass surveillance of its own people but edward snowden says new zealand agencies collect information for the n.s.a. >>> unban outfitters is stirring up outrage because of a sweat shirt that is called "vintage kent state," red stains look like blood which was the site of a deadly school shooting in 1970 after a national guard unit opened fire on students protesting the vietnam war. four students were killed and nine were injured. as of this morning the sweatshirt is sold out and most opinion on twitter are negative many calling the sweatshirt in bad taste and appalling. >> women who would like to look like they stepped off a tv set like they stepped off a tv set get a chance, "the lim started by scandal with 70 items with prices from $49 to $250 in stores next week. scandal runs for the 4th season on september

. >>> joseph gordon levitt could be cast as nsa leaker edward snowden.ng movie, the snowden files. even with strong leading roles for women like frozen's elsa or katniss in the hunger are games, the gender gap is still there. a new study finds 23% of international films had a female protagonist. and only 31% of speaking characters were women. i find the numbers pretty shocking. >> yeah. that's international. would you think the u.s. would be better or the international? >> i'm not sure. >> poor in both. we have done many stories about how the price, you know, the wages that they make and salaries are lower and number of leading roles, you know, like 8 to 2 for women. >> still that glass ceiling. >> i didn't know it was that bad internationally too. >> across the board. >> writers and producers need to, you know. >> more women roles, more strong women roles. but when you go to the awards -- i'm dara brown, this is "early today." we hope it is your first stop of the day on nbc. [ female announcer ] we lowered her fever. you raise her spirits. we tackled yo

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way before snowden, we had the president at the u.n. and in front of the american people saying that isis is not islamic and the issue for me is in the grand scheme of everything that's going on, if homeland security and the f.b.i. warning a week ago, there might be a lone wolf attack. lone wolf attack happens by a guy posting about osama bin laden on his facebook page and now it's workplace violent. they don't add up. don't ask us to look for the lone wolf attacks and then when they happen, declare political correctness. >> this is just a thought based on the recording we've done and what we know about edward snow den and so that are what he's turned over, maybe giving him a bit too much credit? >> generally the atmosphere is on the part of the intelligence officials, slap back and intimidate. they've been told not to connect the dots and this guy is celebrated and people even on the right love this guy. it's just -- and we see the results. the results of this and what's going to happen with these guys coming back from syria. we need t

i think for us ton snowden thing -- for us on the snowden thing, we wanted tore instantly transparentmors were written in the press that people backdoored our servers. none of that is true. zero. we would never allow tha that to happen. they would have to cart us out in a box before we would do that. if we ever get information -- and we finally got agreement from the national government to release how many times we had national security requests on apple and it's between 0 and 250. that's the lowest number you can quote, 0 to 250. >> charlie: could have been 249. >> correct. so you can tell we have hundreds of millions of customers, so it's a very rare instance there has been any data asked. one of the reasons is we don't keep a lot. we're not the treasure trove of places to come to. >> charlie: i mentioned robert kennedy and martin luther king in your office. tell me the values you consider most important beyond the culture and the values of apple. tim cook, the man. >> treating people with dignity, treating people the same, that everyone deserves a basing level of human rights, rega

>> well, i would say the picture that snowden has of the nsa is it's not really big brother.ike the keystone cops. they were hoovering up all the data all over the world no idea what they were doing anymore. first thing an intelligence agency should do is counterintelligence. if you have an it person, you notice that. once he's down loaded files, know what he took. if there's way too much data, you have no clue what's going on. i don't think they should have tapped merkel's cell phone. i don't think president obama knew. i think that was news to him. it was just massive data collection with no rhyme or reason at all. i think the more data you collected, the less you knew. >> what do you do with snowden if he's a traitor and hero at this point? >> that's somewhat above my pay grade. >> below your pay grade. >> or below, one or the other. >> it's below. >> we need to have a very serious debate about the nsa, how to strike a better balance. i do think all these things where you -- i don't think there's, by the way, a tradeoff between privacy and security. i think if we develop t

>> that's what the snowden documents say.ues they were using and trying to find other ways to get into them. there are ways out there. with the snowden documents, there is this whole privacy concern here in the united states and the rest of the world. there is new technology we are trying to stop eavesdropping on the nsa. those are things from a privacy perspective that we developed that isis is using to help themselves from being captured. >> where would they get that technology? >> it's all over the internet. you can download it. you have dark nets, other methods of communication that can't be intercepted. it's allredly available. if you do a lot of research you can easily grab that technology. >> you wish there was a way where u.s. citizens could retain their privacy. i don't want the nsa spying on me, and at the same time allow u.s. intel agencies look at what isis is doing. there is no way to do that, is there? >> this is the same debate i got on with one of my friends on facebook recently. the snowden documents, what th

they are learning the lessons of snowden. >> what did they learn from snowden? >> how much the united states doesn't know. and one of the hearings, nsa was in the position to tell about they didn't know about the critical expo. >> we were put on the defensive and they are listening and learning and flying low enough under the radar. so they don't get detected. >> companies will need to test their skurt. and morgan, thank you so much. jon, what dow have over there. >> a tight race for a state that is gown for tight election. we'll head to iowa. and first of its kind. a victim's family is suing the on line dealers who sold ammunition to suspect holmes. take and... exhale.in... aflac! and a gentle wavelike motion... aahhh- ahhhhhh. liberate your spine, ahhh-ahhhhhh aflac! and reach, toes blossoming... not that great at yoga. yeah, but when i slipped a disk he paid my claim in just four days. ahh! four days? yep. find out how fast aflac can pay you, at aflac.com. two american troops among the dead after a suicide bombing in afghanistan. that happen in kabul. a polis

. >> we could talk about edward snowden, but i think palantir is on the front of data auditing.e an analyst that works on data and it's also tracked, so on able as a manager to say what are my analysts doing? if we had that, maybe we would not have the edward snowden problem and we would be able to understand how we are analyzing it. >> one of the things that is on -- is controversial about peter is that he thinks ceos should not pay themselves too much. he thinks companies should pay employees in equity and i know palantir was once the top spot for stanford graduates, yet they have a salary cap much lower than other silicon valley startups. is palantir still attracting the best of brightest? >> i think so. if you get in, that's a sign you're a brilliant engineer. there is a self-selection there. they are filtering for people who want to work on really hard problems and believe in the mission. maybe by overpaying, you are bringing in a wider set of people that may or may not be your company culture. in the long-term, it's an edge for palantir. you know you are not getting the pe

. >> thanks to the heroic efforts to patriot liked ward snowden, we know that when it comes to privacy the government does what it does everywhere. it abuses the power we granted, greg. and if it hadn't done that nobody would be sitting there caring. >> that was about 35 seconds you need to edit out. >> i encrypted that. >> the era of snowden ended with the era of isis. nobody thinks about him anymore. it is called adult thinking. you should look into it. i am a free market dude. i like catching terrorists more. you can't have a private sector if you have terrorists bombing the private sector so you need to make the private sector safe by catching the terrorists. >> you can't have it if you are catching terrorists. >> it is not even private anymore. >> do we have time for this story? >> he is running as an independent and the owner of shotgun willy's gentleman club. and he has friends in hip hop. on wednesday he released his video. he lays out his libertarian position while laying down a dope beat. ♪ ♪ >> i am convinced that we are in a trap that won't let me stopwatching. >> ♪ collect

themselves against us which would be another negative consequence of what edward snowden did. there's no question the trap -- the technology has transformed the battle. >> it's amazing what has gone on in terms of social media. withnk of terrorism 1.0 osama bin laden handing off a videotape to al jazeera and that so they got the message out. has thistand that isis program they use that people sign up for to spread the twitter message. they broadcast so much information about themselves in social media. is there a suggestion that there is an offensive capability as well? >> absolutely, this is a war of ideas, not just a war that occurs in the physical realm. and terroristsis try to do is to enlist others in their cause and frighten those they oppose. they have been quite effective in using social media as a recruiting tool. we can do some of the same things to push back. some years back, there was a zawahiri where he talk to muslims around the region and around the discussion, there was real pushback and people criticized him for the fact that innocent muslims are being killed.

themselves against us, which would be yet another negative consequence of what snowden did.s no question technology has transformed the battle. >> it's amazing what has gone on in terms of social media. i think of terrorism 1.0 with bin laden handing off a videotape to al jazeera and that is sort of they got the message out. we understand that isis has this program they use that people sign up for to spread the twitter message to get around the spam filter. they broadcast so much information about themselves in social media. is there a suggestion that there is an offensive capability there as well? >> absolutely. this is a war of ideas, not just a war that occurs in the physical realm. part of what isis is trying to do and terrorists try to do is to enlist others in their cause and frighten those they oppose. they have been quite effective in using social media as a recruiting tool. we can do some of the same things to push back. i remember some years back, there was a live chat with zawahiri from al qaeda where he talk to muslims around the region and actually in that discu

think of the powers of surveillance that were disclosed by edward snowden but even before then shortly after 9/11 the president claimed the power under his terrorist surveillance program to intercept e-mails, conversations of americans internationally without statutory authorization whatsoever under the fisa court. then we had the detentions without accusation or trial at guantÁnamo bay. we don't have customary due process when you have a chance to confront your accusers. you are not accused of any particular crime or wrongdoing but these are examples of how the power of the president cline during wartime and presidents never surrender the power back. but there is a second wrench in our system during war and that is customary transparency and the heart of the idea of government by the consent of the government yields to secrecy. government by the consent of government is mocked if the people do not know what their government is doing. how can they give consent? you find any discrepancies between what the government does and what the people agreed with a very new was going on and i thin