>> no. >> reporter: missing from court, andrea snyderman.icked her out of the courthouse last week after she awkwardly hugged this witness in front of the jury. the close friend had just testified that she believed snyderman was having an affair. outside the court, prosecutors say snyderman then told her they were no longer friends. >> there was no affair. >> snyderman testified earlier that a week before newman's arrest she suspected he was the killer. despite that, she didn't tell police. that's news4 at 4:00. news 4 at 5:00 starts right now. >>> did a councilwoman receive special treatment? what she said today about getting just a warning after she was pulled over driving more than 100 miles an hour. good evening, everybody, i'm jim handly. >> i'm wendy rieger. >>> a lawmaker are a lead foot ignites a speeding controversy in prince georges county. karen coles is a member of the prince georges county council. police clocked her more than 100 miles an hour on the beltway and yet, she just received warning. news4's pat sconce live at police

we're moving to have her removed from the courthouse. >> reporter: snyderman's banishment came afteral hug to shanna sitron. she doubted snyderman's claims of an affair with her boss. >> did she admit or deny an affair with her boss at that time? >> denied it. >> when she told you no did, you believe her? >> no, but my heart really wanted to. >> prosecutors said snyderman's behavior after that testimony was way out of line. >> she embraced this witness. she kissed the witness, she got outside and then told the witness that since she didn't believe her she wasn't her friend any more. that was for sure. >> neumann has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. saying his alleged affair drove him crazy. andrea has denied the affair, saying her boss was stalking her. >> there was no affair. >> also under scrutiny, snyderman's account of what she knew immediately after rusty's murder. two other witnesses contradicted her testimony about when she knew her husband had been shot. >> i didn't know what happened to rusty until i got to the emergency room. >> to be clear, andrea snyderman is not

snyderman says the day care worker called, telling her something had happened to her husband.d her to explain why she never called her husband. instead, calling her family and then newman six times. >> why didn't you call rusty? >> because they just told me something had happened to rust z what are the chances he is going to answer his cell phone? >> just curious why you didn't call rusty. >> that was tom trang reporting. that is news4 at 4:00. news4 at 5:00 starts right now. >>> good evening, i am doreen get letter in for wendy rearing. >> i'm jim happened squlichl it is in their hands. jurors had at least one question as they decide the fate of a former lacrosse player at the university of virginia. >> reporter: the judge wanted a status report, progress report at the 5:00 hour, but he made it clear that it is type with him if they want to deliberate into the night. all signs today those questions point to the fact that this jury is analyzing the charges against george huguely very carefully.

rusty snyderman had a terrifying run-in with his soon-to-be killer. he was home alone with his 2-year-old son. >> there's a man who was sleeping in his backyard. he's running. i think he has a gun in his back pocket. now, he's running away. i don't know who the hell is he. and i don't want him near my house. >> reporter: snyderman pauses to comfort his young boy. eight days later, he was not just killed. he was excused by the same man. >> a father, shot and killed minutes after dropping off his children at preschool. >> reporter: shot three times in the chest. and then, at point-blank range in the neck, as he lay on the ground. it was a parent's worst nightmare. >> your heart stops. >> when the doctor said he didn't survive. >> reporter: it all happened so fast and seems so meticulously planned, the police thought at first it was a professional hit. the killer wore a disguise. a knit cap and a fake beard. and raced off in a silver min ji van. the family offered a $10,000 reward. it took two months before this there was a break in the case. then, benni

nancy snyderman. >> today's professionals, welcome. >> thank you.ter they break up because he abused her, two songs hit the internet on which they have collaborated. star, is this something she should be doing? >> i have held the hands of a number of women as a prosecutor who went back to their abuser. i was in pain during that time. what i learned quickly is i couldn't tell them that they needed to get help. i had to let them come to that on their own. they had to do the work behind it. i'm not sure what rihanna and chris brown have done in the background. have they done the emotional work to get to this point? if they have, i'm glad they are able to work together. if they haven't then this goes down a bad path. >> it sends a message. does it send the right message? >> i'm not a role model and she is. i'm not telling anybody how to live their life but there is nothing more heinous than a man hitting a woman or whatever that abuse was. i think you have an obligation as a woman that young women look up to not to send a signal that it's okay and we ar

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on andrea snyderman, the victim's wife. before resting its case the prosecution presented snyderman's cell phone records n. seven months leading up to the murder she exchanged more than 1400 calls and text messages with the defendant. nearly 600 more than to her own husband. >> said she had taken certain trips. >> reporter: a detective testifies about the prosecution's claim that the murder was driven by an illicit affair between andrea and newman who was her boss. >> you do know they were having an affair. >> yes. >> having sex? >> it would seem so. >> let's bring in the jury. >> reporter: on tuesday the jury watched the end of newman's interrogation video. for hours he denied shooting snyderman, but he gets more uneasy. >>itis not like you have no connection to these people. >> i never thought about that. i mean, again, how am i related to this? >> reporter: one day after the interrogation newman went back to police. his attorney read part of the statement to interrogators. >> the statement was, i want to talk. i want to

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>> prosecutors and the defense both maintain that snyderman and neumann were having an affair. and that led to rusty's murder. she insists newman was obsessed with her, but denies anything sexual. >> there was no reciprocation of any feelings. >> but this bartender testify she'd saw the two groping and kissing each other just a few months before the murder. >> he had his hands on her on her rear end and she was hugging him. and they looked like a couple. >> and next up, newman's real estate broker turned confidante, melody white. she revealed what newman told to her about a business trip he took with snyderman. >> he said they laid on the bed and cuddled and did just about everything but have intercourse. >> white said newman seemed normal. a stark contrast to the defense's portrayal of a delusional defendant who has pled not guilty by reason of insanity. and one controlled by a demon in the form of barry white and an angel looking like olivia newton-john. >> has he spoken to you about any dilution s delusions he had having? >> no. >> near the end of the day, another witness te

nancy snyderman. >> reporter: this seven-day cruise was anything but a pleasure. hundreds of sick passengers and crew members aboard the luxury "crown princess" were hit by a most unwelcomed party guest, the norovirus. >> it's been a nightmare. we lost two full days of our cruise. >> reporter: another ship "ruby princess" docked early after more than 100 of its passengers and crew became too ill to leave their cabins. >> captain came across and made a few announcements about there is a sickness on the ship. >> they didn't want us to touch anything that somebody else might touch. >> reporter: here is the norovirus under a microscope. it thrives in moist environments, and medical experts say its easiest route of transmission, close quarters. >> because everyone is jammed up so tightly together, it's so easy for that virus to spread one person to another. those people spread it to four others. those four spread it to 18 others. >> reporter: and it's not just cruise ships. in new jersey, more than 150 students contracted norovirus at rider and nearby princeton univers

nancy snyderman. >> reporter: decades of running, biking and competitive sports took their toll on sara kate loman's body. >> the pain was grueling, grinding, constant. i could not get my knee in a position of comfort. >> reporter: now at age 54, she's one of about four and a half million americans walking around with an artificial knee. >> people at work said to me, you know, gosh, you know, we enjoy working with you but we've never seen you smile so much. they didn't know me out of pain. >> reporter: loman is part of a growing trend, people opting for knee replacement surgery earlier in life. >> there were times that this procedure was only done for people who were older than 65 years of age. >> reporter: not anymore. the number of baby boomers getting total knee replacements tripled in a ten-year period. and even though there can be complications, nearly one in 20 americans over 50 is walking around with a new knee. what's behind the increased demand? well, experts point to a few factors. america's obesity epidemic, aging athletes not taking care of their aching joints, genetics, and

nancy snyderman. >> reporter: orthopedic surgeon dr. larry drr does more than fix bones for a living. for years, operation walk, the charity he founded, has provided free surgeries for thousands of vulnerable people around the globe. now with tough economic times in this country, dr. dorr is bringing his charity home. during a recent two-day span, he and 60 other orthopedic surgeons operated on uninsured patients, replacing their bad hips and knees. >> these people all have lost their hope for their tomorrows. >> reporter: 85 people have regained the ability to walk for free in what would normally be a $30,000 to $50,000 operation. this recording artist needed both hips replaced. in the '90s, terry had her own band and hit song that climbed the charts. then came difficulty walking and pain. terry couldn't even stand up long enough to sing. >> feel like you're 100 years old, right? she gave private lessons instead to pay the bills. steven robertson's pain was so severe, he contemplated ending his life. >> when things narrow, you start fe

nancy snyderman, new york. >>> up next, why another kennedy is facing charges tonight. >>> tonight the pakistani government has begun to demolish the infamous compound where osama bin laden spent his final years hiding and where he was killed by u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s last year. crews in the city moved in late in the afternoon with cranes and jackhammers and flood lights. pakistani officials say plans for the site include a park with green areas and benches which they say will be built within a month. >>> and tonight, robert f. kennedy's youngest son is facing misdemeanor charges after a fight at a suburban new york hospital. it started when douglas kennedy tried to take his 3-day-old child outside for a walk. nurses say they tried to stop him because he wasn't allowed to take the newborn off the maternity floor. one nurse claims he twisted her arm and another is seen on the surveillance tape being knocked to the ground. kennedy says it was the nurses that attacked him. >>> and john hinckley, the man who tried to kill president ronald reagan three decades ago, has a request. he says he'd

nancy snyderman will be stopping by. it is one where we talk about when you experience seemingly harmless symptoms. easy to ignore like excess saliva or even ice cravings. they may seem like nothing, but they could indicate a more serious condition. we'll talk with dr. nancy. >>> and get the credit card out, jill martin, our good friend is going to be with us. steals and deals, deep discounts, as much as 77% off everything from zodiac bracelets, to luxurious wraps and skirts. exclusively for our "today" viewers. >> when you and joe and mika, you sit down and watch steals and deals? >> jill martin. >> with their credit card. >> maybe you could buy jill a tie? >> we're working on it. >> lots to get to. let's go inside, amy robach is standing by at the news desk while natalie is on assignment. >>> good morning, everyone, congressional negotiators have reached an agreement to renew a payroll tax cut for some 160 million workers through the end of 2012. that deal also extends jobless benefits for millions of americans. and it

nancy snyderman is here with more on the study that was part of a commentary in the journal "nature." are they saying sugar is dangerous? what do they have against it? >> they're going further than that and saying sugar is toxic and should be up there with tobacco and cigarettes. the reason it's not is because we just haven't been able to disassociate ourselves from the food we eat. we now eat three times as much sugar as we did a generation ago. and that accounts for 75 pounds of sugar for every man, woman, and child in the united states. and these researchers are linking sugar not just to obesity but sugar to problems like high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer, dementia, you name it they think it should be out of our foods. except for natural sugar that you might find in a little bit of natural juice or in the fruits we eat. >> so what does this mean, nancy? might we likely see more regulations? >> i think what we're looking at is a big battle. these researchers would like some regulations. they would like everything from attacks, the amount of sweetness, a tax, much like the t

. >> reporter: andrea snyderman broke down and denied an affair. >> none of those feelings were returnedelf clear. >> reporter: in a bizarre twist, a divorce lawyer for newman's wife says she believes that andrea snyderman is lying. >> there will be a parade of witnesses that will crop rate there was an affair, now knowing that andrea snyderman has not told the truth. >> reporter: her inconsistent feelings toward newman only contributed to his erratic behavior. he's pleaded guilty by reason of insanity. >> i'm here with dan abrams. what do you say -- tell the most bizarre story possible? >> i don't see how this works. even if olivia newton john and barry white are telling him to do this in his head. to make this a valid defense, he would need to not understand that it was wrong? so if olivia newton john is telling him to go kill, he knows it's wrong, even if it's still olivia newton john, that's not guilty by reason of insanity.e beforehand. he's wearing a hood. that it seems that there was premeditation to avoid detection is very bad for him. it shows some degree of understanding that w

nancy snyderman reporting. she adds that eating disorders are a real psychiatric illness and that treatment including hospitalization and therapy is imperative. >>> well, if you were sneezing or itching, scratching, coughing out there today. >> all of it. >> it could be worse tomorrow air saying all because of the breeze. >> all because of the breeze. the wind. it's going to be gusty tomorrow. a lot more so than today. along with it, it's going to be just as warm, maybe even a few degrees higher tomorrow. that is going to kick the numbers way up again. we are talking about a little rain for tomorrow. it's going to come in two different parts. let's go ahead and walk over to the weather wall and i'll explain. 61 in gaithersburg still up just a couple degrees higher and one degree higher too in warranton. there is the 70-degree temperature we've been waiting on and looking for. meanwhile, your good night wakeup forecast. look at how mild it is going to be during the overnight, early morning period. only down to t

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nancy snyderman will answer your questions about it. >> okay. that got a reaction here. we have lingerie in the house. great looks for all body types. >> sometimes a guy wants to feel pretty. >> just in time for valentine's day. that's right. meantime, let's make a little turn to go inside. >> people will be watching "dateline" in a whole new way. >> let's go inside for a check of the news with tamron in for natalie this morning. >> good morning. new details in the murder-suicide of josh powell and his two young sons. powell told his 7-year-old son charlie that he had a, quote, big surprise for him just before attacking him and setting the house on fire. this according to the social worker sent to supervise powell's visit with the boy. she said she heard the younger boy, braden, crying as she was blocked from entering the home. overnight, officials said a computer in powell's home was found to have pornographic images that led a psychologist to recommend that he undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation. >>> outrage from jewish organizations and other

nancy snyderman. >> reporter: thomas, a straight a student, exceptional athlete a boy secretly obsessed with diet and exercise in hopes of achieving the perfect body. >> he wanted a six pack. he wanted rock hard abs, he wanted muscles. that's how it started. >> reporter: it was anorexia, a life-threatening eating disorder. for eight years t.j. starved himself and exercised compulsively. eventually he stopped eating up to 23 hours a day while exercising close to five. >> he would ask us, beg us, please don't tell anybody. it's so embarrassing. everybody thinks this is a girl's disease. >> reporter: t.j. died in the middle of his nightly routine doing 1,000 sit-ups, weighing just 78 pounds his heart gave out. >> the look in his eyes, the last pictures he took of himself on his camera, it wasn't t.j. it was not my son. >> reporter: t.j. is the new face of anorexia. at least one million males suffer from eating disorders, dying to be thin. experts say it takes a certain kind of personality to go to this extreme. >> it's very unusual for someone to come onto my office for an assessment of an

nancy snyderman is with us to talk more about this before people go out and there is a run on fish oil. does this look to be what it is? >> it's exciting. this study comes from ucla. basically, they did mri scans of the brain in about 1,600 people, average age about 67 years of age. in people showing no signs of dementia. what they found was stunning. people with low levels of omega 3 fatty acids had brains with less volume compared with people who had higher levels of the same fatty acids. they tested mention function and body mass and amount of omega 3 fatty acids in blood cells. people with lower levels tested poorly for problem solving, multitasking, visual memory and executive function, all things that could be hurt with dementia. while everyone agrees the best way to get your omega 3 fatty acids is with your diet, think fish. two 3 1/2 ounce servings of fatty fish from a salt water. these are the ones that are rich in omega 3 fatty acids. if you hate fish, there is something you can do. there is one time where supplements can work. the american heart association recommends a dail

nancy snyderman is here with us. in our lifetimes, we watched this go from being surgery to an elective alternative for some women. >> it started today because a study looked at the importance of perhaps doing c-sections on fetuses 34 weeks or less not growing. that was the jumping off point today. the idea if you could get baby out of the womb into an incubator those babies that weren't growing well would, in fact, do better. now it's the jumping point for a larger conversation. that conversation is this. that more and more women are having c-sections. why? sometimes it has to do with the fact because we have more in vitro fertilization, we are seeing more multiple babies that require c-sections. and there's also something called convenience. a term called too posh to push. women who don't want to go through a delivery. the possible pain with the vaginal deliveries. so they and their doctors opt for this idea of maybe scheduling something around birth time. >> the bottom line of this news today was a risk to the chi

nancy snyderman is nbc's chief medical editor. good morning.hould repeat at the outset we don't know the cause of death for whitney houston. the l.a. times reports prescription drugs were found in her room and investigators are looking at the pharmacies where the drugs were prescribed from. setting that aside, i guess the issue is first of all, why does it take so long for the toxicology results to come back? >> i'm not sure it's taking so long. i think they have a good idea now. at the time of the initial autopsy it was immediately looked for a source of immediate drowning. they ruled out sources of immediate death -- they ruled out drowning quickly. it came pretty fast through spinal fluid, blood that they can find out what drugs are there. they will look for drug resid s residues. they want to get this one right. i have a feeling they know well but they want a complete report. >> this has raised the issue of the use of prescription drugs. some are now household names like xanax, the benzodiazepines. celebrities are known to use them but regu

nancy snyderman has more. >> reporter: like most patients john harrison put his faith and trust in the surgeon standing over him in the operating room. >> i had to have surgery to repair my shoulder. i was not worried one bit. >> reporter: two weeks after rotator cuff surgery, john was back in the hospital with a life-threatening infection. the cause? a dirty surgical instrument. and a new report says surgical tools contaminated with hidden blood, tissue or other debris are showing up with alarming regularity. >> it is a job that cannot be given to robots because the robot doesn't have the critical thinking to say this is still dirty. >> reporter: at a hospital in virginia, which is not the hospital where john was treated, sharon greengolden has made her sterile processing department a model for what should be happening across the country. because in every state, except new jersey, there are no requirements that workers who sterilize instruments have any kind of training or certification. >> a barber has a license. the dog groomer has a license. the tattoo artist has a license. and i'm

an important job when he was a state senator, still has an important job, attorney general eric snyderman. a pleasure to be with him. majority leader dean scalas. talking about ball players. the last person to have a rookie season like dean scalas was derek jeter. he has been a phenomenon. pleasure to be with you, senator scalas. assembly speaker sheldon silver. he had two rookies to deal with last year, the speaker both myself and dean and i can tell you this. the speaker was always, always constructive. it's not that we always agree on everything, but the question is, are you positive and are you constructive and are you working towards a solution. and the speaker was also constructive and he was always supportive of me personally. we all owe him a debt of gratitude for a great job last year. assembly speaker sheldon silver. my friend senate minority leader john sampson. pleasure to with you, john. thank you for being here. assembly minority leader brian kolb is here. brian, thank you very much for your service. all the judges of the court of appeals. especially chief judge lippman. hon

nancy snyderman here with us tonight. this is a provocative topic. >> reporter: it is a very provocative topic. not just talking about the glass of orange juice or occasional cupcake that is a treat. scientists are sounding the alarm. that is the amount of sugar in our diets that's literally killing us. stephanie mccabe tries her best to limit the amount of sugar her children eat, but knows the occasional treat is part of childhood. >> my kids eat well for dinner and lunch and get a good breakfast and they play. >> reporter: our sugar consumption crept up on all of us. the last 30 years, the amount of sugar we eat tripled. today the average american consumes 22 teaspoons a day, three times what we need. that's equal to 75 pounds of sugar a year for every man, woman and child in the united states. now an article sparked a national debate. is sugar toxic and should it be taxed and regulated like alcohol and tobacco. >> sugar promotes the same phenomena in the brain addictive substances do. >> reporter: this doctor is a chil

nancy snyderman. >> where you going? >> to the post office. >> reporter: when her elderly father walked out the door and headed for his car, cynthia and tom used to hold their breath. a few years ago, they had an honest conversation with ralph now 94 about limiting where and when he drives. >> i think he brought it up himself about his trepidation with driving at night. >> reporter: it's so hard for a lot of people as they age to give up any part of their independence. what allowed you to have the confidence to make that first step? >> safety, of course. >> reporter: really? >> yeah, safety. because i treasure another man's life just like i treasure my own. >> reporter: ralph's concerns are supported by tragic facts. every day in this country, 600 drivers over the age of 65 are involved in an accident. and nine of them are killed. what are the warning signs your loved one is in trouble? >> the best thing is ride along. when you're riding along observe for things. is their reaction time slow? are they getting lost? is the

nancy snyderman has our report. >> reporter: beverly's diagnosis of hepatitis c came five years ago after a visit to her doctor. now at age 56, every day is a struggle. >> i'm always tired, nauseated, very weak. fatigued. >> reporter: more than 3 million americans are infected with hepatitis c. even more alarming, 1/2 to 3/4 don't realize it. >> we want to find hepatitis c before the patient develops cirrhos cirrhosis. cirrhosis means the liver is severely injured, has scar tissue and is not working the way it's supposed to work. >> by the time scar tissue is found, the liver is damaged so badly it often leads to cancer or a need for a transplant. hepatitis c is spread primarily through iv drug use, blood transfusions before 1992 when screening for the virus began, and by sexual contact. and it kills, causing 8,000 to 10,000 deaths per year. there's no vaccine for hepatitis c like there is for its cousin hepatitis b. but a simple blood test can detect the virus, and there are medications for treatment. >> if you need to call me, leave me a message. >> reporter: unfortunately for beverly,

nancy snyderman answers your questions. first, this is "today" on nbc. >>> back now at 8:45. to the top. among them, pittsburgh steelers wide receiver and two-time super bowl champion hines ward. in a new documentary "nfl characters unite" about the fight against prejudice and discrimination ward goes to a school outside of pittsburgh to mentor a young man named carlton dennis. take a look. [ cheers and applause ] >> how you guys doing? i'm good. first of all, i want to say i'm proud to be here. today i got a chance to meet carlton. really this whole program is really just perception. you know, how do people outside view you guys? do they think this is a bad place? >> yes. >> is it? >> no. >> exactly. these are good people here. >> hines ward, carlton dennis, good morning. >> good morning. >> you're part of the nfl documentary about nfl players and coaches including tony dungy who do something to fight the idea of prejudice. in your case, hines, as i mentioned you were a two-time super bowl champion, mvp of super bowl xl and you have been called perhaps the greatest wide rece

but my -- my goal here all along has been, snyderman and others.re that this is not just the first step. there's much, much more that needs to be done. much more accountability that needs to be had. more investigations that need to be continued. in missouri it did not get covered as much as it should have bunt the attorney general in missouri sued -- not sued -- sued like criminally indicted the ceo and president of a company that made linda green fame us to many americans who helped perpetrate this fraud which i call it the professor did, i think it is one of the greatest frauds in the court when you -- sign tens and tens of thousands of false affidavits across courts, across this country, and docked with central to that and you criminally indicted the ceo and president. i think you will see more attorneys general pursue the criminal route now that this -- this very narrow and as we try to narrow the settlement to just the servicing conduct. >> i don't want to get too far in the weeds but what the heck. what you were -- you were -- critical of the