and i did want to ask a few questions, really quickly, so marina safeway had a briefly a reversed spending machine, do you know why that closed and how that was allowed to happen? >> and kevin, drew my expert on this will probably be the one to help you understand. >> and thank you for so many years, mr. drew, also, on advocating for our communities. >> i am with the department of environment, the marina safeway through the actions of cal recycling when the exemption was lost through the loss of the webster street safeway or the california hyde store, closer, the marina safeway was required and their exempt was lifted and they attempted to use a reverse vending machine for six months, and they took it out because they did not like the clientele or the action that took place at the store with this machine. that is as much as i know. >> and then i have already exposed my bias of human beings and community recycling centers to be the solution, not auto maition and vending machines, could you talk about the expansion of the vending machines and how that compared to the community recycling cent