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but he is doing them and i think he is sitting therer in obviously anticipating he will be indicted. >> host: so there's another shoe you expect to drop. >> guest: there's another shoe. >> host: what is interesting about it -- one of the things that struck me is that this drive to produce more and more coal, and cutting corners to get to that point, this was one of the criticisms that was made against bp after the deep water horizon led to the deaths of 11 workers, and there's this drive to produce the energy that we consume as a country, that makes a lot of people very rich, and the question is, what is the cost of that production? it's amazing because there may be another fate for don blankenship if the criminal case goes on, but there have been some lives destroyed in the wake. right? where is tony harbaugh gnaw, the people who worked in the west virginia court who they thought might have had these pictures and given the pictures of maynard and blankenship to stanley? >> guest: well, tony harbaugh may be getting out of prison. i talk to him every weak from prison -- every week from prison. an

that should be the focus here, with employment and so forth, they are the key we have to really encourage. john: what abou don't poi -- boo point? >> therere many examples in private sector where banks, companies i was a consultant for ibm they went 3 a difficult down size -- through a difficult down siding in 1990s they fired a quarter of their workers. a hundred thousand workers, like at ibm today, united states, same situation. if we adopt austerity, prudent austerit we can turn our country and blossom like we've never done before. john: bob, whe you say now is not the time, when is the time? >> the time is when the economy is healthy and the clinton era, and late 1990s, one time in recent history the budget as in surplus we were on track to have no national debt. and 2000, economists worried about how the fed will conduct monetary policy, whenave paid off national debt, i am not the sort of guy who says we should always have a deficit, this is not a time to tighten your bblt. you may agreee i don't think we should raise taxes. i don't think we should cut ending. john: we have a national debt now that is 1% aut of gdp does that scare yo

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