involve giving the social democrat democrat some some key ministries including finance foreign ministry and justice government a coalition necessarily means doing that so why is this being seen as a loss for the conservatives because i mean they had this time they really had to give up a lot of these very important ministries and especially the finance ministry that was really important in the last couple of years especially with regard to the european union right so the austerity politics within the european union so right now i think. the members of the conservatives are rather unhappy with the distribution of ministries especially because the c.d.c.'s you actually got the interior ministry so there's not a lot of these very important for us left or for the c.d.u. such so the leaders of the conservatives and the s.p.d. have agreed this deal is that it now is the deal done. definitely not let's i mean we still have the party convention from the conservative party and then most importantly we have the. referendum off the s.p.d. where they have to approve the coalition agreement so we'll

social democrats were very uncertain as to. continue their come the combination with their christian democrats even though the democrat christian democrats did not have a majority or needed two other parties at least for a majority. were inviting the social democrats support to support it but in this participation doing the last couple of legislative periods the social democrats lost and fluence and follow and that's one of the reasons i didn't want to rejoin with the christian democrats i got it from your article is that there is a lot of disagreement in germany about the extent of this social bird and that the state has to take upon itself and for example you had a very interesting. no idea that one of the reasons why the support for the a of do you was so strong they all turned to for germany was the kind of resentment towards the state assuming more social obligations including towards the migrants the migrant question immigration question the immigration question and the review she question have raised considerable resistance in the within the population because there's a very uncertain condition as to how to integrate thi

agent and bought master called yuri had supposedly offered his services to the head of the social democrat democratic party's youth wing kevin cornered hoping to sabotage a coalition deal between his party and anglo merkel's conservatives here's a snippet of the pair's suppose an exchange did catch him on your i'd like to talk to you about supporting your new group campaign thanks for your mail jay already told me to expect a mile from you but just to be sure could you name me jay's favorite beverage as you can certainly understand this is a delicate matter me oh me oh ginger oh dear ury perfect that's a relief so what can you offer me basically we can offer you everything an opinion campaign with but schultz social bought on twitter and facebook or even a targeted facebook advertising campaign there's only one problem with all that the whole conversation was fabricated by the german satirical magazine titanic the editors behind the hoax posted this triumphant photo online it shows one of the magazine's employees posing with a transcript of the fake e-mails and the tabloid subsequent article the edit

social democrats very uncertain as to. continue their come the combination with christian democrats even though the democrat christian democrats did not have a majority or needed two of the parties at least for a majority. were inviting the social democrats support to support it but in this participation doing the last couple of legislative periods the social democrats lost and fluence. and that's one of the reasons i did want to rejoin with the christian democrats i got it from your article is that there is a lot of disagreement in germany about the extent of the social bird and the state has to take upon itself and for example you had a very interesting idea that one of the reasons why the support for the a of do you was so strong they alternative for germany was the kind of resentment towards the state assuming more social obligations including towards the migrants the migrant question to the immigration question the immigration question and the review she question have raised considerable resistance in the within the population because there's a very uncertain condition as to how to integrate this influx. of a great number

social democrats were very uncertain as to. continue their come the combination with their christian democrats even though the democrat christian democrats did not have a majority or needed two other parties at least for a majority. were inviting the social democrats supporters of paid but in this participation doing the last couple of legislative periods the social democrats lost in influence and power and that's one of the reasons i didn't want to rejoin with the christian democrats i got it from your articles that there is a lot of disagreement in germany about the. expand all of this social bird and the state has to take upon itself and for example you had a very interesting idea that one of the reasons why the support for the a of do you was so strong they all turned to for germany was the kind of resentment towards the state assuming more social obligations including towards the migrants the migrant question and the immigration question the immigration question and the review she question have raised considerable resistance in the within the population because there's a very uncertain condition as to how to integrate this

social democrats are very uncertain as to. continue their come the combination with their christian democrats even though the democrat christian democrats did not have a majority or needed two of the parties at least for a majority. were inviting the social democrats support to support it but in this participation doing the last couple of legislative periods the social democrats lost and fluence. and that's one of the reasons i didn't want to rejoin with the christian democrats i got it from your article is that there is a lot of disagreement in germany about the extent of this social bird and that the state has to take upon itself and for example you had a very interesting idea that one of the reasons why the support for the a of do you was so strong they alternative for germany was the kind of resentment towards the state assuming more social obligations including towards the migrants the migrant question to the immigration question the immigration question and the review she question have raised considerable resistance in the within the population because there's a very uncertain condition as to how to integrate this influx

the former general secretary of the social democrats entered this building just behind me and spoke to the press briefly he confirmed basically that the social democrats have been given the finance ministry the foreign ministry and the ministry of labor these are clearly three very crucial ministries for the social democrats and mean that they have driven a hard bargain in this discussion with the conservatives until now the finance ministry was controlled by the conservatives they have given that up to give it to the social democrats also the foreign ministry obviously is important and for the social democrats controlling labor is crucial for their membership crucial for their policies crucial for the questions that they have been trying to push for during these negotiations on the conservative side one of two conservative politicians also enter the bowling recently for further discussions for finalizing the final documents that are going to be released here soon and there have been saying that's difficult concepts sions painful disco concessions as i call them have to be made through the console through the social democrats in order to ensure that g

hundred sixty thousand members of the social democratic party there's been a lot of criticism within the party of these grand coalition is that the social democrats have been engaged with this past government that has ruled for the past four years was such a grand coalition and the feeling was that the social democratic party in cooperating with the conservatives of i'm going to somehow lost its way somehow wasn't able to push through its issues wasn't able to convince its voters that it was doing good work and that was reflected in the very bad results for the social democrats in the recent general election at the end of september so many people in the party feel that participating in another grand coalition would lead to further erosion further weakening of the social democratic party it's not clear how this vote is going to go the social democrats had a special party congress in order to decide whether or not to enter this election into these coalition talks and that's voted at that congress was very very narrow sixty percent to forty percent something like that so it's by no means clear that the decision by the rank and file will be in favor

goals security and fairness those would typically be social democratic goals and indeed this coalition agreement does bear the imprint of social democratic concerns but you know what those concerns are not alien to this chancellor she is often criticised of having taken her conservative party in an increasingly social if not social democratic direction over the years that she has governed she is looking now at her last term in office that is for certain and i think it isn't surprising if she would actually view some of these social democratic measures as very much in line with her own inclinations so that's until america as for martin schulz you know what he wound up getting a lot more than one might have thought when the social democrats entered these negotiations if you remember they started out with a weak hand they did very poorly in september's elections then he said they wouldn't even be willing to talk about joining a grand coalition so it's quite surprising in the end to see how many issues they did wind up putting their imprint on and what ministries they wound up with and finally america's rather difficult bavarian partner the

was flabbergasted about it that they could that the social democrats could sell this as a success so i think the opposition within the social democrats what we see and then what we'll see in the next weeks will be big but we shouldn't forget the social democrats are a grand old party so to say in germany and they have a lot of old members that will probably vote for this country nation so i am quite hopeful that actually this deal with it will be pushed through by the membership it is of course not only social democrats who say that they are not at all sure they want to see another grand coalition a majority of german said in a recent. poll that they in fact are not enthused about the prospect german commentators have been writing that if these proposals that have been made in this coalition agreement on education on pensions on digitalisation and much more have been made by the german equivalent of an a manual macaw people would be talking about an exciting new impetus so is the problem not the policies but the personnel let's take a look. uncle america's conservative alliance won last september's federal election but what the sharp

calling the deal that her conservative structure with the social democrats a basis for good government the social democrat leader martin show says that the deal will bring fundamental change for both germany and europe his party's rank and file still have to ratify the agreement extending the country's wait for a new government by another few weeks. i don't forget you can always get the w. news on the go just don't load our work out from google play or from the apple store that will give you access to all the latest news from around the world as well as push notifications for any breaking news you can also use the need to send us photos and videos when you see news happening. i'll be back at the top of the hour with more world news followed by the day i hope you can join this today. the whole d w all one out of. four in soap is global insights the news out for local heroes. a double made for minds.

have voted in favor of entering a coalition government with the center left social democrats the chancellor as christian democrats approve the coalition with a broad majority the move was expected the social democrats are voting next week an early america announced her picks for the new cabinet most of the candidates are younger and there are more women of a chance are also named in one of her fiercest critics to join her cabinet. dishnet c.d.u. conventions to applaud party leader and chancellor angela merkel after the speech as long as possible this time the delegates managed to play for little more than four minutes considerably shorter than in recent weeks this reflects the growing dissatisfaction with merkel's policy and the disappointing result at the last national elections and she's aware of that that's the good news and this result is not at all what we were hoping for we all fought hard and we were all disappointed we need to do better the next time. that's your belief my view that this option. but many delegates whether this can be done with a new grand coalition together with the social democrats have

as we here are points that matter a lot to the social democrats in fact they matter so much that a party conference of the social democrat democrats about two weeks ago essentially up to the ante on these two issues there had been exploratory talks with the conservatives prior to that and the two parties had agreed on a broad blueprint for coalition negotiations and the delegates at this party conference said we want you to up the ante on labor law basically on on ending time limited our work contracts that to where there's no clear reason for them to be temporary and also on germany's two tier health care system they are the s.p.d. delegates told their party leadership their negotiators we want to see the beginning of an end of what they view as a two class medical system whereby private people insured with private insurance get better treatment than those insured with the public insurance so those are the two points that they are still working hard to predict and while we're told that the delegates are that the negotiators are optimistic in fact there are obstacles to overcome here all right melinda please stay a with

of the ministries in a new government and here the social democrats will be given the foreign ministry the foreign minister will be a social democrat they will be controlling finance and they will also be given the labor ministry as well as a few other ministries obviously in the government this is i think one can say big achievement for the social democrats these are really very crucial ministries for any government and they're very crucial ministries for the issues that the social democrats have been trying to promote in these negotiations it has also been decided it seems that the interior ministry will be given to the christian social union that is the bavarian sister party of i'm going to michael's conservatives so the interior minister will be from bavaria which is new in german politics in recent times this has been a ministry that i'm going to tackle cd you sell for itself has been controlling your highs of the details we know at the moment obviously yes we just want to ask you about those ministry post hunt if that is confirmed again these details are just preliminary reports that we're waiting to have confirmed but it doe

care is one and this is an area that has been very important to the social democratic base and as you remember the social democratic base is very very reluctant to enter a further grand coalition many members of the social democrats feel that their party has lost it's lost its identity in the course of being the junior partner in a grand coalition with conservatives so they're looking for some very visible wins on health care that means they would like to see real concrete steps toward equalizing the situation of people who are insured by public insurers with those who are insured by private insurers at the moment they say there's a two class medical system in this country with people with private insurance getting better treatment faster treatment they want to see concrete steps toward that ending and the other area labor law the social democrats once again looking for some visible wins on a visible wins on a core issue for them they say temporary work contracts harm workers and should only be allowed for very concrete reasons that justify temporary employment again the conservatives are balking on that so it's a

social democratic party. that's according to the social democrats. mocrats will still have to vote on the deal. the house hasl, passed a temper a spending bill that would over a government shutdown tomorrow night. it would lift that cap stuff on the military through september. a broader budget bill may be added to the legislation before the senate vote. leaders say both parties want to end the cycle of temporary budget measures. vice president mike pence is in japan where he is threatening north korea with the toughest economic sanctions yet. he spoke after meeting with japan's prime minister. his sister has named to represent north korea at the want to olympics in south korea. she will be the temp dynasty's first official representative to set foot in the south. global news 20 for hours a day powered by more than 2700 lists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i'm taylor riggs. this is bloomberg. tom: a data check very quickly with stability in the markets. thank you to richard for giving us that perspective in the last hour. dow futures -238. ot

coalition agreement, he was flabbergasted about it that the social democrats could sell this as a success. the opposition within the social democrats, what we will see in the next week will be big, but we shouldn't forget that social democrats are the grand old party and they have a lot of old members that will probably vote for this continuation. so i am quite hopeful that this deal will be pushed through by the membership. melinda: it is not only social democrats who say they are not sure they want to see another grand coalition. a majority of germans said in a recent whole, that they in fact -- poll, that they are not in fact in susan about the prospect. about the prospect. -- have been made by the german the: of and emmanuel macron, people would be talking about an exciting new impetus. let's take a look. >> angela merkel's conservative alliance won last september's election, but with a sharply reduced share of the votes. and of the social democrats turned in their worst performance at the polls since 1949. some newspapers called on the chancellor to stand up and take charge of germans -- germany's poetical future. but merkel d

democrats social democrats and even the liberals in the greens have had a very consistent position on banks it the unity of the european union is of utmost importance and anything that damages that shall not be countenanced and so very much there's a common ground between the social democrats and the christian democrats but between germany and other european union countries so it will help britain in the sense that there will be a german government that can take decisions i.e. the kind of the vacuum that there's been for the last couple of months will end but ultimately i don't think it's going to change them as positional breaks and it's not going to help the british very much so you're saying vote like twenty seconds of the year two thousand and twenty things still will not be resolved they will be result in twenty twenty odd that we're going to be talking about this a lot longer but yeah i think i think you're right about that that's a good way to ensure income for the next couple. there is always thank you for coming on the show it's good to have you are the day is nearly done but as always the conversation continues online go like this on twitter. you can write to me t.v. don't forget use the hash tag the day every member whatever happens between now and then tomorrow

give up eating being as the leader of the social democratic party that he might hand over party leadership to another leading politicians of the social democrats when asked about this the leading social democrats that we're entering the building behind me now in the last few minutes have refused to comment and have said that shows himself is going to be speaking in the not too distant future in the near future and will be presumably saying something about that as well but there's a lot of speculation now about the personnel about the actual people that are going to be filling the posts that have been on sed those reports that we are hearing about how the chips are falling who is receiving which ministry what does that tell us about what kind of compromises have been made in these negotiations. well i think you have to say that the social democrats certainly drove a hard bargain here that the social democrats were able to push through quite a large number of concessions not only on content but also on this distribution of ministries in the end giving up the finance ministry which is what conservatives have been controlling have been running for

the imprint of the social democratic party that was something that the social membership social democratic membership had absolutely demanded they were very reluctant to enter these negotiations at all they held a special party conference in order to decide whether to go ahead after the initial exploratory talks at that conference they raised the ante on two very important points for them on health care policy and on labor market policy and we see in the draft agreement real concessions on both of those points so i think that there negotiators i think the over time was absolutely about these two issues they did more than two days of over time and in the end i think they got some really significant movement from the conservatives and then the other point of course the distribution of the ministries this leaves the social democrats holding some of the most powerful ministries in the german government and for one very core area that is going to be significant namely european policy european union the coalition agreement contains some very significant changes in the german approach to the euro

well very significant for the social democrats the social democrats had made it clear from the outset that they would drive a hard bargain that they had to drive a hard bargain that's because their base the broad membership of the party has been very very skeptical about entering into another grand coalition at all there's a feeling among many social democrats that the past grand coalition together with angela merkel's conservatives led to a significant drop in support which of course we saw in september selection and that it is essentially impossible for the junior partner in a grand coalition to really make an impact so for that reason they did drive a hard bargain they have not only retained the main ministries they already held namely the foreign ministry the labor ministry and the family ministry as well as environment they have one a very very powerful ministry in addition and that is finance with wolfgang schauble of the long running conservative fund eleanor we are you i guess i'm sorry i just jump in here but action we're hearing that chancellor merkel is speaking all come ba

coalition with with merkel and johnson democrat has sort of managed to take away some of the core elements of the of the social social democrats don't forget the social democrats for a very long time were if you will they're not. home of germany's working class and the us i think stand they've lost that idea of being the natural home of germany's working class so the fall of the of the. in the accounts for the fact that they've lost their profile as that party on the left side of the political spectrum and tell us stay with us because this supreme poll comes just as the s.p.d. members are due to vote on whether or not to join transfer merkel's conservatives in another grand coalition government it's a topic that deeply divides the s.p.d. even even family as this report. father and son one for the grand coalition the other against at this s.p.d. event in northern germany there's only one question on everyone's minds should the party risk another coalition with anglo merkel's conservatives it's up to party members to decide including five b.n. stake now the critical young socialist and his father the veteran s.p.d. man and takes the lead with the party rush take

social democratic party. the socialording to democrats. members of the social democrats still have to vote on the deal.ive to berlin. among the positions that have , the finance ministry, which is gone to the spd, how much of a concession is that from angela merkel, and might there be grumbling within her own party? reporter: it is, of course, i very big concession. it was seen in her party that the cdu should keep the finance ministry, considering that they were far ahead of the polls in the election. but the spd make a strong case that they want to have this they can makethat their mark in european policy as well. vonnie: so she is giving up the finance ministry for this. does this week in her position position?her birgit: at first glance, yes, it shows she is weakened because she is paying a high price. but it also shows her long-term view. she said in the press conference that in the end she thinks she can work well with the spd, and if you look at the coalition most have been sent out. if it comes to the crunch, she will always be the one that has the veto. in the long run, i think she has secured

social democrat ideas just don't get the so. profile they don't get the same media coverage you have angle a medical taking credit for policies like the national minimum wage which the last government introduced a social democrat idea implemented by angle of medical the social democrats don't get the credit and of course the other thing they're rather weak leader monte marshall see a lot of conservatives make the same argument that they're being moved by the s.b. too far to the left and both parties are meeting up today to resume their coalition talks what's it looking like will we see a new government by march as some people are suggesting well how it was that these protected coalition to swell the one hundred days of the. would rather since the elections bill that under days. they would end on sunday people are saying us probably not going to happen because there are still too many areas for the groups to discuss might be a couple die sometime next week they could do that don't forget the social democrats have said they're going to put the final coalition deal to their full membership four hundred fifty thousand people about will get their chance to say whether this deal can go ahead and whether a new grand

anglo-american will help the deal her conservatives struck with the social democrats as the basis for good governments while social democrat leader martin schultz said the pact would bring fundamental change for both germany and europe. all right well let's hear what chancellor merkel said the breakthrough means for germany. if i knew you would fund google and google as i know millions of citizens have been scrutinizing the negotiations. yes they have actually justifiable requirements of us. first films and even government and second to remember the needs and the desires of the people. until collision with the officer this is dimension i am convinced remains both parties reached can do just that the the foundation of the good and stable government that our country needs and the world expects of us all the support we had a strong influence on the agreement that we're thankful that some compromises that were hard to get by the union parties could eventually find agreement we're doing politics for the workers of this country we want permanent employment contracts to be the norm again. the practice of giving out temporary cont

well the young social democrats the youth wing of the social democratic party has in fact been running a campaign for people to join the party in order to participate in this vote and to reject the grand coalition but you have to say that somewhere on four hundred sixty thousand members of the social democratic party maybe some twenty thousand have recently joined it's not a number that is likely to swing the votes in one way or the other. but you have to say that the question of whether or not such a grand coalition is good for the social democratic party is one that's been discussed for a long time and very controversially within that party and many people in the party feel that another grand coalition will in massacre lay the social democratic party will weaken it further since recent elections have shown the party has done badly really badly in these elections the worst results it's had ever had since the second world war so the questions about whether a grand coalition is going to be good or bad for the social democrats is going to be crucial in the next three weeks when this vote

worse for her potential coalition partners the social democrats germany center left party is looking at its lowest approval ratings ever. germany's social democrats need to regroup they're still the second largest party in parliament but their standing has been flagging since the party's poor election results last september the latest polls suggest if people voted now chancellor angela merkel's conservatives would score thirty three percent of the vote far ahead of the s.p.d. which would get only eighteen percent and that's just four points ahead of the far right alternative for germany party which would score fourteen percent the business

europe and it looks like the chances now with the social democrats leaving that finance ministry and the very important post of course for the social democrats who are traditionally a party for the unions of the unions is the labor ministry and they will be leading that as well so three very very important ministry post for the social democrats and with martin shoals taking over possibly as reports say the foreign ministry post as you said there is strong speculation that he would give up his post as the head of the party and that that would be moved then to under nala says she until now has been the head of the social democrats in parliament she would take over the party church a ship let's take a look at more about under an hour of now in this report. it was during the preliminary talks for. last of course the next one's i guess managed to miss it was that it didn't stop her from giving the book because partners from the conservative party is a good telling off often formation about the negotiations had been leaked. but it's i guess sense that i did it was very annoying that some results have been made public by someone. fun to your knowle

looking at this coalition agreement between medicals conservatives and your social democrats and they say wow the social democrats actually got a really good deal in this coalition agreement isn't that something that you should support. i don't know i think if we if we look at the circumstances that when negotiating was a conservative party i guess the results are quite they were negotiating very hardly and they got out some pride ok results but looking at the big picture and looking at the reforms and step the germany would need right now and the big change in politics that we were campaigning for for these elections and i have to say no that doesn't change anything really so now i can't be happy with that so the entire youth wing of the s.p.d. party is campaigning against this coalition agreement you've been recruiting members into the s.p.d. to try to get them to vote against this coalition agreement and scupper the whole deal which would then presumably trigger fresh elections in germany understand some twenty twenty five thousand people have joined the s.p.d. over the past couple of months what how do you th

social democrat membership four hundred fifty thousand people they'll have their chance to say whether a deal has been done is enough for them and that is the big question mark what are the social democrats going to do they're going to vote on this in the party itself it's in steady decline looking at its lowest polling rates ever eighteen percent what's going on well i mean the social democrat party has been in decline for a period it's been very close to to close most most of the membership would say to angle americans conservatives for too long but in too many coalition governments of this kind and you know it's difficult for them to put forward their ideas and win support on that basis and this is really what people within the social democrat side are concerned about just losing that profile that they once had ok we'll know where all this is going on sunday simon young thanks very much. now for some of the other stories making the news this hour police have sent in reinforcements after clashes between migrants in the northern french city of tell a left more than twenty people injured authorities say some of the wounded were hit by gunfire police are reporting the violence initially b

democrats and the green party there's a coalition talks failed. after several weeks of very intense discussions leaving the country somewhat in the lurch and leaving both the social democrats and the christian democrats very little option but to agree on another grand coalition in the similar way that the grand coalition had that has existed for the power. for years that has ruled the country for the past four years so since some time before christmas we have finally been on the rights to this agreement that has been reached today and it will be a relief not only for people here in germany but also for europe and probably for the world especially i think you can say in the european union one has been waiting for germany to have a government again that can make major decisions and that country can contribute major decisions to. issues that are waiting in your in the european union union major decisions that have been taken in brussels for the european union our political correspondent hans brian taking us up to date thank you hans. and we have our political editor with us here in studio again who's also been following the story very closely for us we heard there that does some reports have been leakin

coalition deal that was agreed to between the conservatives on the social democrats and that debate the fact that the social democrats were debating on personnel issues or not specifically on the matters within that coalition deal definitely prompted martin chose to make that announcement today which is indeed a very difficult announcement for him let's not forget i'm rita that only a year ago he was announced as the new leader of the s.p.d. after getting one hundred percent of the votes of the delegates of the social democrats however after that his party lost three regional elections then had a very bad result at the federal election in september then martin shows lost the party leadership and now he's also left this idea of becoming the next foreign minister so indeed a very bad year for martin short and a very difficult moment for the social democrats the current acting foreign minister sigman garbage and also from the s.p.d. has alluded to divisions within the party and this is what he had to say he said it is sad to see the lack of respect we now have for each other in the s.p.d. and how little a previously mad

these young social democrats has been running a campaign to get people to join so that they can participate in this vote that is taking place amongst the rank and file of the social democrats whether or not this grand coalition is actually going to be accepted and the young social democrats are campaigning against that so they have been trying to get people to join in order to vote against the scrying coalition on the other hand one has to say amongst the four hundred thousand four hundred sixty thousand members now if they are even twenty thousand new ones that have knowledge oint and that one to vote no in this in this vote that's still in the total it's a fairly insignificant number so it doesn't look likely that the young social democrats with their campaign would have really swung this vote again on the other hand there is a lot of gall to mock the social democrats whether a grand coalition will be good for the party there is quite a strong opinion that in fact ground coalitions are not good for the party that they emasculate the party that the party suffers as a result so the rank and file of social democratic parties will have the last word on this coalition deal th

democrats of the conservatives that's too much has been given to the social democrats also in business i think there's a lot of skepticism about all the kinds of promises and their costs that are involved in this deal on the side of the social democrats to one has to say there's not total euphoria at all as we have heard the social democratic rank and fossil has to vote on this deal and then not quite sure where the party should be in this grand coalition atoll now the new government if it gets the seal of approval from the as the rank and file it would have for opposition parties to deal with in parliament they of course are already getting down to work slamming the agreement take a listen. higher pensions better day care more nurses and more policeman something for everyone and the new coalition agreement and that costs money the conservatives and social democrats have planned at least forty six billion euros in addition to the current german budget the left party says the costs can't be adequately financed. will continue to retain the tax system of the past century and redistribution will not be tackled at all on google the f.d.p. says not enough attention is being paid to digitalisation in the kind of i don't see a guiding princi