when the president is talking about medicare and social security, it's about making medicare and social security strong, survivable and sustainable. and when president reagan and speaker o'neal, democrat and republican, joined hands on social security, it was about making it stronger. it wasn't about raiding social security to cover tax cuts for the rich. so that's the real question. there is enormous anxiety. >> why are we even talking about this when you've got 80% of the american people who don't want to go down this road? >> there are two interpretations. number one, we shouldn't be doing it, because medicare should be discussed on its own terms. we have to bring down the cost of health care and that's important not only for medicare but it's important for the rest of the health care economy. but it's not about using medicare as a way to maintain tax cuts for the top 2% of americans. social security is the absolute bedrock of middle class security, and we cannot be using that as a piggy bank to pay for taxing the wealthy. >> will the president have support if he comes out with a pla

republicans are saying keep our hands off the social security and medicare. let's be prepared to strengthen the program in the future because we see in the sout years with the baby-boom generation we want to deal with social security to make sure it's continuing as strong as it is today. and on medicare you want to make sure that you lower the healthcare cost so medicare could continue to provide benefit to seniors. >> bret: last question. 30 seconds here do you think this is going to push up against this debt ceiling limit? how do you think it comes to an end? >> if we are smart, we will agree we won't jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states. never have in the bush administration, seven votes to increase the debt limit. the republicans voted for it. they shouldn't play politics this time around. >> bret: you mentioned the bush administration, but senator obama said -- the debt weakens it internationally and leadership means the buck stops here. instead washington shifts the burden of bad choice the back of children and grandchildren. we have

when this president talks about changes in medicare or even in social security, it is very important understand, anything he would ever do would be to strengthen those programs. he believes medicare and social security are just basic compacts. sacred compacts that we have in our country to make sure that all of us wheb we are in retirement, can have a retirement that is dignified and healthy like people who who have worked hard their whole life deserve. soar when we look at for example, social security, the president doesn't look at that as short or medium term deficit issue. if we are doing anything on social security if that happens, it is for one reason and one reason only. because he thinks it is one of the truly aesh r treasured programs we have in our country. it has been that way for generations and any changes he would make would not be to dismantle or hurt the program but to strengthen it and make sure it is that rock solid benefit and help generations to come. >> all of this about the president would change or cut social security or medicare. you're saying the president's c

to speak with us representative keith ellison but a debt deal that may involve cuts to social security and medicare about getting the fixation back on jobs and about a contender in the state was calling him a radical islam that's and you know that prison inmates are now doing the work that public employees in wisconsin did for free that's all thanks to governor walker's bill and we'll speak with one law professor who says the protect ip act is unconstitutional and aligns the u.s. with oppressive regimes around the world where you have all of that for you and more tonight including a dose of happy hour but first we're not going to our mainstream mr knight we're going to do things a little bit differently so we can have time with a congressman congressman now to washington it was rumbling last night as word leaks from the white house the president obama would be pushing for a big deal to bring an end to debt negotiations and appease republicans by tying it to budget cuts that deal would include three trillion in cuts one trillion in revenue increases cuts to social security medicare and medicaid also

that deal would include three trillion in cuts one trillion in revenue increases cuts to social security medicare and medicaid also included those long considered off the table by democrats a report say the democratic leadership was stunned a dozen members of the congressional progressive caucus wrote a letter to the president asking him to refuse cuts to the sake of programs and then the white house started walking back last night's reports the story is really not new at all the president has in fact. essentially was written. back when the president delivered his state of the union address and he talked about his openness to doing things to strengthen social security. things that would not slash benefits. so now the rhetoric is about strengthening social security but for the left as the president already made the final capitulation and why is all of the talk shifted from jobs to deficit when twenty five million americans are lacking full time work joining me from capitol hill is us representative keith ellison of minnesota he's the chairman of the congressional progressive caucus and one of the

medicare. george bush tried to privatize social security. they go after these two programs because they don't like them. republican voters in dayton, cleveland and akron like medicare. republican politicians like wall street and the insurance companies more than they like medicare and social security. that is not the kind of agreement. if john thune can't vote for it, we are not going to get his vote. there are a dozen republicans that will be more reasonable than that and are patriotic enough they don't want to see the united states of america default on its obligations. >> what do you think as it's been bandied about if congress fails to pass anything, would you encourage the president to use the 14th amendment to raise the debt limit? >> i don't want to go there. i don't want people who have taken an oath of office and have the responsibility to do the right thing, i don't want them to think, i'm not going to vote for this. let the president do it. i don't think that's good for the country. i don't want to comment beyond that. i think we a

democrats are not sold yet. >> house democrats are not supporting any cuts in benefits for social security or medicare. >> tax hikes are off the table. >> the democrats in congress will not balance the budget on the backs of social security beneficiaries. >> we're not for raising taxes. >> but eventually, republicans are going to have to agree toing? . -- to something. >> i will not vote to increase the debt ceiling. >> it's insanity. >> i will reconvene congressional leaders here on sunday. >> meeting again on sunday. >> they are going to come back here sunday. >> and sunday is also the end of rupert murdoch's best-selling paper. >> the end of "news of the world." >> closing on sunday after 168 years. >> all of the things that people have talked about, this is an evil empire. >> phone hacking scandal. >> this is disgusting, disgraceful. >> they are closing the paper in name. they are expanding the publications. >> just how low will a tabloid go? >> british tabloid "news of the world" announced it will publish its final issue sunday. >> don't you mean the rebranding of "news of the world"? >> good eve

saying very clearly that the major programs, and we have had this debate with respect to medicare, social security, and medicaid as well -- these are important programs to people. they have an immediate impact on the economy and a long-term impact on people's lives. >> congressman, we in the media, the figures around discretionary cuts, $3 trillion. i know that the district that you represent is hurting. how do you go back to that diner in east hartford and say to these people -- i am supporting this, but here is how it affects you. how do you do that? >> i daresay, across the country, stop the light beer commercial going on in washington. less filling, tastes great, deficit, debt ceiling. put me back to work. for seven months we have been here. there is no jobs agenda that has come forward in the house of representatives. the president has talked about how innovating the investment in the american people will create jobs. that is what they want to hear. explain to them, in the federal budget, what these cuts mean. who knows what is included in that money? talking about -- discretionary funding, i

>> woodruff: other democrats voiced concern about giving ground on social security and medicare. arizona congressman raul grijalva co-chairs the house progressive caucus. >> if social security, medicare and medicaid are on the table, at least that's the discussion, the deal that we've read, then we cannot support that deal. we understand it could be restructuring of social security or medicare, but cuts to beneficiaries, cuts to benefits, raising the retirement age, all of that is off the table. >> woodruff: those positions will have to be reconciled if congress is to craft the debt ceiling bargain that the president envisions before the august 2nd deadline. otherwise, the government risks default on the nation's financial obligations. for more, we turn to naftali bendavid, congressional correspondent for the "wall street journal." and andy kohut, president of the pew research center. it's good to you have both with us. naftali, let's start with you. they are talking about a big deal, so what could that entable? >> it probably entails a lot of political peril for both sides becaus

there's nothing more fundamental to democratic politics than social security and medicare. going back to fdr and the new deal, democrats founded social security and medicare. republicans fought them from the beginning. republicans have long tried to get rid of those programs. and democrats have protected them. support for people who work for a living. that's the closest thing there is to a defined reason for the democratic party's existence going back to the days of our great grandparents. the clearest reason that we have two parties in this country. support for union rights. republicans win elections by harnessing the power of corporations. democrats mobilize unions. democrats didn't used to be embarrassed by this. we have seen this year that republican governors and legislatures have been able to chip away at union rights and unions themselves. when a democratic president in that context comes forward with as grave a concession as trading cuts to medicare and social security for some revenue increases, he better be getting something in return. something more than a flat no

mcgovern: medicare, medicaid and social security, and i yield the balance of our time, one minute, to the gentlewoman from california, the democratic leader and the defender of medicare, medicaid and social security, nancy pelosi. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from california is recognized for the time remaining. pelosi -- ms. pelosi: thank you very much, madam speaker. i recognize thereat leadership of mr. van hollen as our ranking member on the budget committee and he and mr. clyburn representing the values of the american people at the negotiating table for this. i rise in support of the reid legislation. i urge my colleagues to support it because it protects social security, medicaid and medicare , because it is fair. but i want to use my time in the following way -- i listened very carefly and very attentively to our speaker yesterday when he spoke and he used the term, "the bill is not perfect but we did our level best." our level best. one might inferrom that that this process is on the level. how can it be on the level if we're bringing a $2 trillion bill to the floo

social security benefits. so that takes $50 billion off the table. >>guest: the truth is there will be the money there to cover the social security application and the medicare and medicaid if you shut down the operations of government. so, basically, you are not going to be funding those social security checks out of government resources that are coming in. so, yes, i do believe the prioritization is interest payment, social security, medicare, medicaid, perhaps active military, and you still have enough to cover some of the things but the point being we simply are not going to have the proper revenue and refinancing mechanisms in place. >> you have enough to cover social security, medicaid, medicare and venezuela benefits and the military and a bipartisan policy center, they crunched the numbers and here they are, courtesy of the washington examiner, debt interest payment, 29 billion. for the month of august. social security, $50 billion roughly. medicare and medicaid $50 billion. active military $3 billion. veterans affairs, $3 billion. you total it it is $134 billion and our revenue is $200 billion meaning you have $66 billion left. all the things that a

they want to decimate social security, medicare, and medicaid. that is their long-term plan of action. but as you also indicated, let's be very clear. the democrats have compromised and compromised and compromised. the reid proposal calls for $2.7 trillion in cuts, a lot of it military, but not all of it. and you know how much we're asking from the wealthiest people and largest corporations? zero. zero. >> well, i found it interesting tonight, you just said that the democrats have compromised, the president seemed to be an honest broker tonight. he's willing to serve some pretty tough cuts, support the reid plan, which is $2.7 trillion, it's not the $4 trillion the president was talking about, but in a reversal politically, in all of this, what did you think of boehner accusing the president of wanting a blank check? >> the president has been to my mind much too aggressive in talking about cuts. let's be clear. there are millions of progressives who are extremely upset that this president has begun to talk about major cuts in social security, cut

we have parents or their social security has been cut and their medicare has been cut. this is a farce. no one at our age will be able to get social security. and you take it out of art checks every month. and the medicare. you want to sit there and talk about this. you need to practice what you preach and don't get your paychecks. host: congressman? guest: i cannot deal with speculation. i can only deal with the facts. social security words. $500 million comes into the pennsylvania post office in my district. every month. i think we have a responsibility to continue the program. this republican -- is almost libertarian -- social security is not going to be there. so far, so good to read it word for my grandmother and my mom now collects it. i am going to collected. host: and 2036, there looks like there is a shortfall. guest: i hope that the phillies and the eagles win in 2036. it is a long way away. in terms of social security, we want to make sure that as previous congresses have done, that we adjust our modify the program in ways to make sure that you can meet its ob

they want to decimate social security, medicare, and medicaid. that is their long-term plan of action. but, as you also indicated, let's be very clear, the democrats have compromised and compromised and compromised. the reid proposal calls for $2.7 trillion in cuts, a lot of it military, but not all of it. and you know how much we're asking from the wealthiest people and largest corporations? zero. zero. >> well, i found it interesting tonight, you just said that the democrats have compromised, the president seemed to be an honest broker tonight. he's willing to serve up some pretty tough cuts, support the reid plan, which is $2.7 trillion, it's not the $4 trillion the president was talking about, but in a reversal politically in of all of this, what did you think of boehner accusing the president of wanting a blank check? where does that come from? >> that comes from a good speech writer. the president has been to my mind much too aggressive in talking about cuts. let's be clear. there are millions of progressives who are extremely upset that th

proposal protects educational opportunities for college students, it protects retirement security through medicare and social security, and it provides more important resources for public services than the reactionary house republican budget. with house republicans still at fault for refusing to seek any type of middle ground, the reid bill is the least worse alternative to avoid default. as desperate as they were last night, to cobble together a handful of votes to pass a artisan boehner bill, they are even more desperate to defe this reasonable middle ground because they insist it must have 2/3 votes in this body. let us join democrats in unity to approve this proposal. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. dreier: madam speaker, i yield myself 10 seconds to remind my friend from texas that the measure we voted on last night stemmed from the bipartisan agreement that was put together one week ago this afternoon right down the hall. and with that i'm happy to yield one minute to my good friend from jefferson, louisiana, mr. scalise. the speaker pro tem

mcgovern: medicare, medicaid and social security, and i yield the balance of our time, one minute, to the gentlewoman from california, the democratic leader and the defender of medicare, medicaid and social security, nancy pelosi. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from california is recognized for the time remaining. pelosi -- ms. pelosi: thank you very much, madam speaker. i recognize the great leadership of mr. van hollen as our ranking member on the budget committee and he and mr. clyburn representing the values of the american people at the negotiating table for this. i rise in support of the reid legislation. i urge my colleagues to support it because it protects social security, medicaid and medicare , because it is fair. but i want to use my time in the following way -- i listened very carefully and very attentively to our speaker yesterday when he spoke and he used the term, "the bill is not perfect but we did our level best." our level best. one might infer from that that this process is on the level. how can it be on the level if we're bringing a $2.5 trillion bill to

social security savaged. they don't want to see medicare privatised. they understand that these are items that are absolutely essential for the welfare of our people. but the republicans are holding hostage the credit of the united states of america for the first time in history in order to achieve their objectives. what the president is concerned about and rightfully so, ed, is if you have a 60-day, 90-day extension and then another 60-day extension and you fight this every 60 days. what that means is the world every 60 days sees the united states of america unable to act in a rational, first world leader role. >> and finally. >> he thinks that's very dangerous and i agree with him. >> if there is no vote, are members of congress and yourself nervous about the overseas markets? they're about ready to open this hour. >> let me tell you, i'm very nervous. this is, ed, i've told people, i've been in congress 30 years. i don't know that i've been as concerned about the welfare of our country as i am tonight. >> and that says it all. >> when i see a party

host: one question, is your guest some social security and medicare has no fraud and abuse? are cheating or liberal system. guest: if there is fraud, i support cutting it. but we're talking about cutting the cost of living increase for social security, means testing it, cutting medicare benefits, increasing copays, increasing the retirement age -- which would be a huge benefit cut to people over the course of their lifetime. host: bob, republican. good morning. caller: i have been watching this stuff on sosa security and everything. i have been on it for good number of years. most of the money that comes through, some people do not make that much on social security. if they end up cutting are putting their fingers in it, so to speak, some of these people do not make a lot of money in social security and depend on this to pay for their medical bills and their food and rent and everything else. the problem i have come i live in missouri. the problem i have, me and another fellow and saying with, we are both on disability. as it is, we are barely making it month by month. i cou

reporter: this amidst reports that the president is pressing democrats to agree to changes in social security and medicare in exchange for republican concessions on tax revenue. but administration officials insist there's no major policy shift on social security, saying mr. obama would not agree to cut and he's always been open to smul small changes to entitlements. still after today's meeting, house minority leader nancy pelosi drew a line in the sand. >> we do not support cuts in benefits for social security and medicare. any discussion of medicare or social security should be on its own table. >> reporter: earlier in the day, speaker boehner hinted for the first time that republicans were open to reforming the tax code. still he reiterated no tax increases. >> everything is on the table except for raising taxes on the american people. >> reporter: members of both parties are watching from afar, not necessarily aligned on where these talks are going. still one aid says that speaker boehner told his conference that there's a 50-50% chance that a deal will get done over the next few days. >>> we have hear

medicare. they won't see social security. and in fact people who are 45 or 50 today won't see social security and medicare if we don't strengthen them, if we don't do the necessary hard work of bringing about those changes to strengthening medicare and social security, to make them economically viable. i hear our democratic colleagues all the time talk about it's the children. i've heard our former speaker talk about it's about the children so much that i wanted to throw up. but the thing is when you talk about it's the children and their future, we've got to deal with this debt. we've got to deal with social security and medicare and make them economically viable by strengthening them, by making them so that they're still available when my kids get grown. and we're going down a road right now, this president and the democrats in the senate, the democrats here in the house have a three-word plan. their plan is a three-word plan for social security and medicare. deny the problem. they're denying it. they're delaying doing anyth

or some other level so we can meet the needs of social security and medicare, you wouldn't be able to do that. you would constitutionally prohibit that kind of balanced budget, one that meets the needs of social security and medicare beneficiaries. that defies logic. i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from ohio. mr. jordan: mr. speaker, what defies logic is a $14 trillion debt and the democrats un willingness to do, put a balanced budget in the constitution so politicians have to do what they do in their homes. the other route didn't work. what part of $14 trillion don't you understand? what part of balancing the budget don't you understand? mr. van hollen: i understand $14 trillion. the speaker pro tempore: the time is controlled by the gentleman from ohio. the chair understanding that there are passionate arguments on both sides would ask all members to observe the decorum of the house and conduct debate accordingly. the gentlemafrom ohio. mr. jordan: i yield to the distinguished majority whip, the gentleman from califor

social security, saying president obama has not open to cut. still after today's meeting, house minority leader nancy pelosi drew a line in the sand. >> we do not support cuts in benefits for social security and medicare. any discussion of medicare or social security should be on its own page. >> reporter: earlier in the day, speaker boehner himpnted for th first time that republicans are open to tax increases. >> everything is open to changes except for raising taxes on the american people. >> reporter: members of both parties are watching from afar, not necessarily aligned on where these talks are going. but speaker boehner told his conference that there's a 50/50 chance that a deal will get done over the next few days. >>> we have heard about this debt limit issue for months. what does it really mean and what are the stakes? for some collarity, we asked maya mcginnis who's responsible for a federal budget to lay it out for us in her own words. >> what is the debt limit? it's a construct that congress has created to give itself a speed bump along the way of its normal process of borrowing a lot of money every year to help pay the bills. there has been a debt ceiling for decades and we have always vo

mcgovern: medicare, medicaid and social security, and i yield the balance of our time, one minute, to the gentlewoman from california, the democratic leader and the defender of medicare, medicaid and social security, nancy pelosi. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from california is recognized for the time remaining. pelosi -- ms. pelosi: thank you very much, madam speaker. i recognize the great leadership of mr. van hollen as our ranking member on the budget committee and he and mr. clyburn representing the values of the american people at the negotiating table for this. i rise in support of the reid legislation. i urge my colleagues to support it because it protects social security, medicaid and medicare , because it is fair. but i want to use my time in the following way -- i listened very carefully and very attentively to our speaker yesterday when he spoke and he used the term, "the bill is not perfect but we did our level best." our level best. one might infer from that that this process is on the level. how can it be on the level if we're bringing a $2.5 trillion bill to

guest: not cut medicare or social security. -- do not cut medicare or social security. these are too important to be cut. it is convincing the majority in the congress and the white house that a priority should be placed on protecting families, protecting their health care, retirement security. that is our mission right now. host: under lieberman and senator colbern revealed their plan yesterday. -- senator lieberman and senator kohl board repealed their plan yesterday. would you support that? guest: no, i would not. once again, let's cut medicare. it is a cut in benefits. the out of pocket even now with medicare and so securitcial sec, out of pocket costs cuts up so much of the social security check. it will be 67 under current law. how are you going to make ends meet? how are you going to pay for your health care? as i mentioned at the beginning of the program, let's try to control health-care costs overall in managed medicare savings in that environment. that is why we need to wait and deep-rootebe prudent. host: derrick joining us on the democratic line in atlanta,

caucus and through our leadership speaking with great clarity about our desire to protect medicare and social security beneficiaries from cuts. >> any cuts? let's spell it ut. >> i think as our leadership has said, looking at and protecting the long term solvency and sustainability of social security medicare is very important to us. i don't believe it needs to be in the context of this conversation. in fact i think this political debate is exactly the wrong one in which to discuss those safety networks for the american people. >> you had the president today in his press conference talking about the possibility of means testing medicare, which means that welfare, medicare recipients might pay more for their policy, right? >> the president said let's not talk specifics because if that's true, heck, i'd like to throw out there raising the cap on social security this which would put a lot of money for people who are very wealthy into the system. but again, i don't think that we need to have that conversation here. social security is actually not the cause of our long term debt. let's be clear about that.

endorsed was fuzzy on cuts made other places, but very specific in that they were going after social security and medicare, so they are really targeting social safety knelt to make up for the money given to millionaires, absolutely unconscionable and destroys fundamentally what the democratic party stood for since roosevelt and the new deal. i went to 40 house offices and congress and they said they will not support any member of congress or the president himself if they try to cut social security and medicare benefits. >> and on the other side, tea party saying the same to the republicans in a different manner. >> you think it is equivalent, ed? do you really think that's an equivalent? >> i do think it is. >> you think social security should be cut by reasonable people. >> no, i don't. look, where i stand is that there should be zero cuts because this isn't the problem that we have right now, it's not social security, medicare, medicaid. so i think that the tea party is not going to give the republicans what they want. boehner is going to eventually come in, try to cut a deal. wall street is talking to

some cases most tea party members with their are saying is that there should be no cuts to social security or medicare as part of the deficit discussion that social security should be fixed by raising the taxes particularly the payroll tax about one hundred six per thousand dollars which is its current limit that military cuts should be a big part of any long term plan and that we need aggressive action now to get jobs to turn the country around and i'm going to or we start talking about cuts i'm going to have to jump in there for a second because you said a lot of the tea party thinks it's way i'm going to have to argue that most of the tea party doesn't think that we should raise tax revenue and they also don't think that we should cut they also are ok instead of with cutting things like social security when you say. well not according to the polls and as far as social security is concerned yes on the taxes and remember you know the tea party has a great advantage over the people who are trying to organize the rest of the country which is they have a coherent narrative and they are all politicians a

just an excuse by you know the forces out there to try to get rid of some of these new deal social security medicare medicare. yeah unfortunately i think the democrats helped to create this crisis and as i say only a democratic president really can kill you and your programs president clinton was the one who destroyed the regulation of financial sector that was put in place in the aftermath. thirty's great depression that it rejected the economy and prevented another financial crash on the scale of the one nine hundred twenty nine crash up until the current crisis we had deregulated be supervised by situations basically we let the people back in one thousand twenty nine that caused the crisis so now it's up to obama to get rid of the questions of the new deal which are the social safety net that is protecting the population i want to talk more about i hear the exchange that took place yesterday between texas congressman ron paul and fed chairman ben bernanke he over the actions both congress and the fed have taken to deal with some of these problems that we've seen over the last three years i want t

they want cuts in social security, medicare. hey even had a proposal over in the house to end medicare as we know it. we're not going there. we will not go there. and we will not be revisiting this every three, four months. it's a recipe for a downgrade in our bonds. it's a recipe for turmoil in the marketplace. it's a recipe for higher mortgage rates. it's a recipe for more unemployment. it's a recipe for chaos. it's a recipe for chaos. i'd be happy to. [inaudible] the presiding officer: would the senator please use a microphone. mr. brown: i'm sorry. madam president? thank you. sorry i didn't address the chair. senator boxer, i was on the phones today listening to people call in from ohio, taking calls, and i heard so many people very afraid of the boehner legislation and what might come out of a further compromise. senator reid, as you said, has offered a good many cuts and -- and, you know, doing -- doing this in a way that's bipartisan. are you hearing that in your state, that there's a real fear that they might -- that -- t

worst comes to worst on august 2nd, i think what is going to happen we are not going to pay social security, medicareer bills. >> we are going to pay social security. in fact they probably have a statutory obligation. there's enough revenue to pay interest on our debt, social security, medicare medicaid, defense contractors and active duty military and have a little money left over. >> the president is behind what i said. he wants a balanced budget. he believes that everybody ought to sacrifice. >> house is going to vote on i bill that gets there over 10 years and the president dismissed it out of hand last week. this administration is not interested in getting the spending problem under control and i don't know how much time we have to do that. >> sean: joining me senator toomey, a member of the senate budget committee. welcome back. >> thanks for having me. >> sean: this is important. i don't like to use strong language when we are talking about the president of the united states. howard dean is lying. president obama is lying to seniors in this country and trying to use them as political pawns. we

reinvest in our economy and to help grow jobs. >> we do not support cuts in benefits for social security and medicare. any discussion of medicare or social security should be on its own table. >> the country, of course, faces potential default on august 2. if congress can't agree on a deal to raise the legal limit on government borrowing. senate majority leader harry reid has said this deal needs to be done by next friday, next friday, to give congress enough time to draft and pass it before treasury has a bunch of bills to pay the beginning of the month. remember, 38 cents of every single dollar the government spends is money that's borrowed. if you can't borrow more money, the government can't pay its bills. >>> the u.s. military reports two american service members have been killed in central iraq. their names and circumstances of their deaths haven't been released. in june, 14 u.s. troops were killed in iraq in combat situations. that was the deadliest month since 2008. >>> a texas fan who tried to catch a baseball fell over the rail at the rangers ballpark and died from his injuries. a tv camera

host: one question, is your guest some social security and medicare has no fraud and abuse? millions are cheating or liberal system. guest: if there is fraud, i support cutting it. but we're talking about cutting the cost of living increase for social security, meansesting it, cutting medicare benefits, increasing copays, increasing the retirement age -- which would be a huge benefit cut to people over the course of their lifetime. host: bob, publican. good morning. caller: i have been watching this stuff on sosa security and everything. i have been on it for good number of years. most of the money that comes through, some people do not make that much on social security. if they end up cutting are putting their fingers in it, so to speak, some of these people do not make a lot of money in social security and depend on this to pay for their medical bills and their food and rent and everything else. the problem i have come i live in missouri. the problem i have, me and another fellow and saying with, we are both on disability. as it is, we are barely making it month by month. i

will democrats signed onto cuts to medicare or social security? >> democrats, sucked it up. put entitlements on the table, make sure that at the end of the day, these are still programs that serve the public. >> dick durbin, democrat senate wit. sounds so reasonable when you put it on paper, nina. why can they not get it done? >> i don't know why they cannot get done. i do know why. if you looat the polling data, the american public wants no changes in social security, medicare, medicaid. democrats, having desires of winning back the house, they don't want to go there. republicans have a big flank of new members elected on a pledge of no new taxes. nobody is dealing with reality. anybody on this panel, two of us could make a deal, but they cannot. >> why can they not make a deal, charles? >> you saw it in the clipou showed. nancy pelosi is the classic definition of a reaction. liberal. no changes in programs, entitlements. -- classic definition of a reactionary at liberal. no genocide programs, entitlements. if you all make -- note changes in programs, entitlements. if you d