the concept of social welfare failed to took root due to the belief that children are responsible forare of their parents. but recent recessions have made it difficult for people to provide adequate care for the elderly. as a result, some seniors left without savings have little choice but to gather cardboard. this district is in inch eon, gyeyang. south korea's first association for elderly foragers was launched here four years ago. cardboard boxes brought here are delivered to collection companies by truck. it eliminates the need to deliver them individually, boosting efficiency. 28 seniors are members of the group. he founded this group as one of the forms of charity work in which he's engaged. he recalls coming up with this idea after a string of unpleasant incidents. the association works to improve seniors work environment by encouraging unity among its members. >> some companies are creating new systems to support their senior citizens. each have cared a bundle carrying pristine cardboard to a certain location. this company makes a special effort to contribute to the livelihood

to implement social welfare programs of this nature for those countries debt relief is essential to enable them to take care of their people and avoid economy collapse this is a call from the w.h.o. the wallet bank and i.m.f. debt relief for developing countries 3 months ago we need you almost nothing about this bias collectively we have learned an enormous amount and every day we learn more doubly joe is committed to serving all people everywhere with the best evidence to protect their health doubly joe they're full of guidance based on the totality of evidence collected from around the world every day our staff talk to thousands of experts around the world to collect and distill the evidence and experience we constantly review and update our guidance as we learn more and we are working to adapted for the specific contexts for example we did come and hunt washing and physical distancing. but we also recognize this can be a practical charly for those who lack access to clean water or who live in cramped conditions together with uni seth and the international federation of the red cross we

many developing countries will struggle to implement social welfare programs of this nature. for those countries, it really is essential to enable them to take care of their people and avoid economic collapse. , theis a call from the who world bank, and -- debt relief for developing countries. three months ago, we knew almost nothing about this virus. collectively, we have learned an enormous amount and every day, we learn more. the who is committed to serving all people everywhere with the best evidence to protect their health. basedo develops guidance on the totality of evidence collected from around the world. or who live in cramped conditions. together with unicef and the international federation of the red cross, we have published new guidance for improving access to handwashing. thatuidance recommends countries set up handwashing stations at the entrance to public buildings, offices, bus stops, and train stations and many countries are doing it. we are also working hard with researchers all over the world to generate the evidence about which medicines are most effective

we don't have, the schools and social welfare programs will get next to nothing. less than they are getting right now. the national governor association has asked, really begged for the federal government to hand over $500 billion for a chunk on which goes to california. so far, one, two, three, and this week, four programs all given money for various things ranging from airlines, all the way to small businesses and individuals, nothing to replenish the states not getting incomes. >> what can be the states then do when they approach the federal government to say they need to replenish some things n terms of medical cost. and this is going to be -- every expert says this is a long hall and haul and when we live the restrictions, we will have the social distancing restrictions. restaurants and everything else, they are at half capacity if that. >> if at that, as we heard, to it's not a mat ore of a light switch. it will be a slow roll out. that means all that time, not as many people will be working, not adds many people will be buying things and what not. now, the

of social welfare offices in the capital tunis to lock down in the country has disproportionately affected the poor the e.u. has said it will grant 250000000 euros to tunisia to help fight the impact of the pandemic. disinfection teams have been spraying one of me on mars at best known attractions shwedagon pagoda dominates the skyline of the city of young gone your knight complex is operating with reduced opening hours jamar has reported 15 corona virus infections one person has died. the streets of nigeria's economic competence lagos have been almost deserted on the 1st full day of a government ordered lockdown police are manning checkpoints and turning back non-essential traffic nigeria has recorded more than 100 cases of the coronavirus in tooting 2 deaths. trump administration has offered to begin lifting sanctions against venezuela if president to be called as my daughter's socialist party and the opposition form an interim government without him u.s. secretary of state mike pompei all said the transitional government would serve until the presidential and national assembly elections

keep people in their jobs >> again, let me just be clear the purpose of this program was not social welfare for big business the purpose of this program was to help small business it's a small business program and it was meant for small businesses that didn't have liquidity. now there are a lot of big businesses who are doing the right thing and keeping their people on the payroll. some of them are cutting their payroll a little bit in terms of not paying people as much, but there's plenty of businesses that have been impacted by this that are doing the right thing for their employees. and, again, every business has to decide what they want to do every business owner has to decide you know, if you're a private equity firm, if you are a venture capital firm and you want to support your companies and you want to support your employees, i would expect most of them that have the liquidity will support it. obviously there are businesses that were terribly impacted by this where people can't do that. but, you know, i want to comment many businesses are doing the right thing for their employees an

>> melissa: i think the point is probably not as much around jobs as it is about our social welfare stateright now every single city and state is going to go deeply into debt to try and support the people that are there, as folks are out of work and you have unemployment and every single governor or mayor is screaming that they need money from the feds in order to take care of their citizens. so, perhaps one point of this is that, while economies all around the world are going to be demonstratedevastated by what h, in theory they will be a lot more people coming to america to try and take advantage of our social welfare program that is a safety net for people, as they find themselves on hard economic times. i'm not totally sure that would be the motivation for what is here. i think this reminds me of when the president's tweets about something that seems like it's out of left field, if you've been watching them for a while. it usually means he has seen data the rest of us haven't seen. it's a reaction to the infection rate. reminds him of when he said trump tower was wiretapped and everyb

to me, it has more to do with this idea that we can't have open borders in this very liberal social welfare program. right now, we are spending an alarming amount of money that is, in most cases, necessary to be spent in order to prop up municipalities, state governments, cities. we have 22 million people on unemployment. not that these folks would threaten their jobs if they came into the country, but they would show up and potentially go to hospitals and use our very valuable resources right now. i think that while we are in this. where, basically, americans aren't paying for things and the government has to come in and rescue businesses and rescue families, that we just can't afford to be rescuing folks coming here for that liberal social welfare policy. that's how i read it. >> harris: is so common to both of you, emily and melissa, i'm curious -- when you hear about the pushback on the president, like, "why now? you can't get much done right now anyway or immigration because things have been installed." emily, you would know this best, just legally. the whole process has kind of been h

up to this point in time the central government of china in terms of what we call social welfare had only two responsibilities that it carried out. one was the maintenance of the dikes, the second was in some instances maintaining green reserves against famine, otherwise everything that we would now regard as social welfare or safety net is all done by local benefactors or local associations. there was no responsibility to the central government. in response to this refugee crisis the nationalist launch an enormous effort from the top like housing, clothing, medical care, education for all the massive refugees. they give them a title, people of righteousness. identifying them as much adjustments in the war against japan as the armed forces. this leads to something else. when the war breaks out the national i can vacation of most chinese particularly in the hinterland is very weak. the identification is primarily to the family, ideally four generation under one roof and local community or clan. the war begins to percolate through the chinese, in chinese populations. this sustained oce

but this move the social welfare told region just lovely this is where we are grounded where we source our electricity. a lot of hydro power which we also use to charge r.v.'s a lot of solar energy the region is ideal for the mobility we have their heads on the whole team are very down to earth people didn't get some. i want to do something for the next generation nature here is just gorgeous and we want to stay that way that's where we get our motivation to bring about change. in 2014 the 3 brothers joined forces to set up their company. made all decisions together and on equal footing which is still the case today. you know where it's a win when we go over things at home and then continue with work. through. the nice thing is that we're all a bit different with our own abilities and the market is called when there is a good business man is a great constructor and i have a lot of experience in electrical engineering. from an electronics business kind of grew up with electricity so long as i mentioned. the brothers learn their trade in their parents electronics store. that's where they

of the of the world spending for social welfare germany 8 percent with one percent of the population of the world and we offer 8 percent of the world social spending but we do not match our commitment with men since 2014 but we know to achieve that because since $2990.00 we have full foot so we need to turn back to our former commitments and the us we had we know how it works but we didn't do that let's talk about another security concern nords are trying to it's not heavily chris. sized by the united states and the european union for facilitating german dependence on russian gas you said the following about it i'm skeptical of nordstrom too but it is still russian gas that europe needs germany has more than 2 thirds of its gas supplies from russia which cannot be discussed away so you want to have your cake and eat it 1st of all the americans should come down because they import. billions of barrels nor but millions of barrels of russian oil and they should come down and look at the europeans also come down there's an open letter from 60 member of parliament from 5 political groups w

but they did that by acknowledging what they could do was socialism for what they could do with welfare. so that brings me back to what if the labour party wins big and we have a prime minister corbin? will they really but my guess is and the worst that we were seeing before. a much finer individual tried this in the late forties and built up the british offers in the attempt to socialize the economy by nationalizing industries. they did it but it did not have the results expected. those industries were struggling more after being nationalized. so what they did harmed a society? no doubt they word and that brings back the other point is that whoever gets elected , that will mainstream anti-semitism in a way that is tremendously painful. to me. but i word worry about what but then with the world peace that we have for good reason to be worried about what trump is doing and his dismissive attitude toward nato and america first. and the seeming indifference to the structures that the united states build to keep them in peace since world war ii. it is worth recalling that the most important

lives and livelihoods in the short term countries can ease the burden on their populations so do social welfare programs to ensure people have food and other life essentials for some countries debt relief is essential to enable them to take care of their people and our void economy collapse this is an area of corporation between doubly sure the i.m.f. and the world bank but ultimately the best way for countries to end restorations and ease their economic effects is to attack the virus with the aggressive and comprehensive package of measures that we have spoken about many times before find test isolate and treat every case and trace every contact if countries rashed to lift restrictions too quickly the virus could resurge and the economy impact could be even more receive year and prolonged financing the held response is therefore an essential investment not just in saving lives but in the longer term social and economic recovery there are city main areas for countries to focus on 1st we call on all countries to issue record public health measures are fully funded. including finding testing cont

everyday safeco could it's not terrible difficult to do but from a democracy perspective, from a social welfare perspective, having a few companies really control the information flow on the internet and then either trying to get the government to play from behind and regulate that effectively is probably going to be very, very difficult. >> host: so what about the issue of economies of scale? these are massive corporations that are providing services to billions of people. how do you compete with that size? to just break it up, like at&t in the 1980s? >> guest: again, it's that really terribly complicated. you need a robust innovative ecosystem online and you need regulations to make it safer democracy and safer individual users. one policy solution we really support and that's essential if you do break up these institutions the something called interoperability, and that something i will give smaller startups the permission from users to tap into and share networks. back 20 years ago when aim, instant messenger was launched there was a requirement ultimately the different types of messaging s

tunisians demanding new financial aid have demonstrated in front of social welfare offices in the capital tunis the country's lockdown has disproportionately affected the poor the news agreed to grant to d.c. $250000000.00 to help fight the pandemic so. this infection teams have been spreading one of men most best known attractions the shwedagon pagoda dominates the skyline in the city of young god and is now operating with vic used opening hours in the history of reported 50 corona virus infections from one death. as an afghanistan which is recorded nearly $200.00 coronavirus cases and 4 deaths or forces that are taking steps to help the spread of infection but after years of war the health system is weak and would be overwhelmed if the number of cases grows as it has in other countries the country's problems are exacerbated by the return of thousands of people from iran one of the country's worst hit by covered 90 spraying down the streets of kabul in a desperate attempt to stave off a deadly disease afghanistan as one of the world's poorest countries its health care system is no match

canadians demanding financial aid have demonstrated in front of social welfare offices in the capital tunis the lock down in the country has disproportionately affected the poor the e.u. has said it will grant 250000000 euros to to musea to help fight the impact of the pandemic. south africa has the most confirmed coronavirus cases in africa but it's struggling to make its citizens obey social distancing rules the government has announced mass door to door screening and testing for infections. now the pandemic has triggered a massive surge in demand for protective facemasks in europe shortages hit french president emanuel mccall once french factories to start producing 10000000 a week the masks are key for frontline medical staff coming into contact with infected patients but there is debate around their effectiveness in stopping the spread of the corona virus among the general population. face masks for years they've been part of daily life for many in asia and now for parts of europe they're about to become say to us troops decision to make it compulsory to wear the mosques in super

technically it's not actually terrible difficult to do that but from a democracy perspective from a social welfare perspective having a few companies control the information flow on the internet and then either trying to get the government to play from behind and regulate that effectively is probably going to be very difficult. >> host: so, what about the issue of economies of scale. these are massive corporations that are providing services to millions, billions of people. how do you compete with that size? do you break it up, at&t in the 1980s? >> guest: part of it is break out. it's not terribly, gay debate you a robust innovation ecosystem especially online and you made regulations to make it safe for democracy and individual users. one policy solution we support and that is essential if you do break up the institutions as interoperability and that will give smaller startups from permission from users to tap into and share networks so fact, 20 years ago when aim instant messenger was launched there was a requirement ultimately that different types of messaging systems be able to communicate wi

less safe what does that mean we don't have money for the roads the schools the hospitals the social welfare programs can cleaning up environmental contaminated sites and things of that sort so the consequences are huge over a trillion dollars most all of our discretionary spending outside of social security is the military budget for what we are say and the military comes back every year and says oh after we spent a trillion dollars now the world is more dangerous than it was before these are what are we spending this money for but the 2nd thing i think this is equally important chris was totally overlooked by the democrats and indeed the republicans too remember the framers adopted impeachment they said it was a surrogate for tarana side bill civilized way you remove somebody who's not a trustworthy steward of our liberties and think of 789 and how much trivial power the president had as opposed to today the ability of george washington buz his powers was nothing you know he had a budget maybe of a couple $100000.00 he didn't have any standing army he had 3 cabinet members you know now loo

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in the short term countries can ease the burden on their populations with social welfare programs, to ensure people have .ood and other life essentials for some countries it is essential to take care of their people and avoid economic collapse. this is an area of oppression between w.h.o., imf and the world bank but ultimately the best way for countries to end restrictions and ease economic effects is to attack the virus with the aggressive encumbrance of package of measures that we have spoken about money times find, test, isolate and treat every case and trace every contract. if countries rush to quickly, the virus could research -- could resurge. responses is an essential investment not just in saving lives but in the longer-term social and economic recovery. announcer 1: c-span has around-the-clock coverage of the federal response to the coronavirus pandemic and it is all available on demand as c-span.org/coronavirus. watch white house briefings, updates from governors and state officials. track the spread with interactive maps. watch on-demand anytime unfiltered at c-span.org/cor

would also require having a hard look while you're state budgetaris next ventilators in favor of social welfare projects. you get the sense of someone out there is feeling less doubt in this covid crisis because she's streaming up a storm on instagram. >> incrementalism is not helpful in this moment. we have to make sure that we demand meaningful change and meaningful working assistance for families but that means $2,000 a month, thousand dollarp for your kids recurring. >> laura: that's a pretty good amount. why stop -- 5,000 a week! do i hear six? on the west coast, they aren't about to be outdone by new yorkers because gavin newsom has his own ideas about how to use the shutdown to open up a path of neutral climate change policies. his new task force will be headed by none other than... drumroll please, the everyman tom steyer the billionaire who believes bending he says the goal of the task force is to recover as fast and as safely as possible from the covid-19 induced recession and to create a fair green and prosperous future.ut they'll make that remedies some of the injustices which this

experiment lab trying to get offenders to compete for who can devise the best programs to improve social welfare of the citizens of new york. she's in that adjunct professor of communications at columbia university and she's studying issues extremely intensively as a chicago student and then as a member of the staff at the u.n. mission of the state department and also a quick round of applause for alexis. [applause] just jump right into this book is about whatn you call -- states. maybe you want to take a minute to tell us what those are and you why you thought we needed a new category 4 them. >> thank you all so much for coming and it's so wonderful to see you all here. i think the best way to describe it is to talk about how i came upon the idea to write this book in the first place. back in 2015 there were a number of terrorist attacks across france and in november of 2016 there was the largest terror attack which killed over 130 people and it was found out after-the-fact that a lot were organized on social media. social media companies really got involved in working with defense agencies to

people dependent on the government this president understands what ronald reagan said, the best social welfare program is a job. he is a believer in you control your destiny because you have financial stability and he is determined to get us back there when we get through this virus challenge. shannon: what about washington post and reports of a call that you were reportedly on, stephen miller who is pretty tough on immigration issues and in this call allegedly with saying to supporters who are worried about some of this immigration stuff that wasn't going to be just temporary or at least was laying the framework for something more permanent, if we can stop it let's hope americans and their families to apply for these jobs when they reopen, you allegedly were on the call as well. anything you want to say about washington post characterization of it? >> the characterization is way off the mark and not surprising for the post but it is a temporary order but it does keep people who can come straight into the labor market out of the country for at least 60 days and that can be extended and stephen

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one was maintaining grain reserves against famine otherwise everything that we would regard as social welfare safety net was all done by local benefactors or local associationses. there was no responsibility in the central government and the nationalist launch enormous effort from the top to provide housing, clothing, medical care, education to all mass of refugees and they give them a title people of righteousness identifying them as much participants in the war of japan in the armed forces. this leads to something else. when the war breaks out the national information of most chinese particularly in the interland particularly is very weak. identification is primarily to the family, four generations in one roof and local community and the war, however, begins to percolate in chinese population. what happens is the japanese imperial navy begins to produce a blockade around the chinese pacific coast and the imperial army will catch ports and inland water ways and what this leads to are four tremendously dramatic effects on china which are going to have extremely important effect on the outcome

experiment lab trying to get vendors to compete for who cana devise the best programs to improve social welfare of the citizens ofpr new york. she is an adjunct professor of media and communications and she spent a couple of decades studying these issues extremely intensively as doctoral student and then as a member of the staff of the u.n. mission, of the state department, and also just thinking her guilty about the witches so clear from this book which i really admire. a quick round of applause for alexis. [applause] >> just jump right in. this book is about what you call -- take a minute and tell us what those aren't what you felt we needed a new category for them. >> sure. thankdo you all for coming. so wonderful to see you all here. i think the best way to describe is to talk about how i came upon the idea to write this book in the first place. back in 2015 there were a number of terrorist attacks across france, and in november 2015 the was with the largest terrorist attack which killed over 130 people and it was found out after the fact a lot of these attacks are carried out and organize

printed a critical part of the un's leading expert on extreme poverty for the post and said tory social welfare policy over the last decade had left communities unable to respond to the pandemic effectively. governments of shut down entire countries without making even minimal effort students people can get by many in poverty live day to day with no savings or surplus food and of course homeless people cannot simply stay home for the u.k. my thoughts of course hark back to the sense of how utterly hypocritical it is now to abandon austerity with such alacrity after all the harm and misery caused to individuals and they face a weakening of the communities capacity to cope and respond over the past 10 years alston said the government's response to the crisis was unlikely to reverse the long term damage done by a sturdy especially in there is such as social infrastructure and community cohesion where the government has defended his record pointing to high employment figures as well as lower levels of both income inequality and those an absolute poverty or lower than when the tories entered governm

others did social welfare projects. vladik, he was a mixed bag, difficult to live with. however, he took all the coping skills that he developed in the camp and utilized them after the holocaust. who survives? who returns a half eaten box of cereal? good question, if you want to extend this further, ask not about vladik, but about artie, artie, in the mental hospital starts saving string in case he might need it later. just like vladik, who was hoarding string and other things. this is a repetition on the part of the second generation of what the survivor generation did. and you know, when freued talks police money about money, he talks about the second generation, one of the survivor's name was al singerman, who joined the war in vietnam because he wanted to put himself in a dangerous situation just like his survivor parents were in a dangerous situation in the camp. a mimatic repetition of the original trauma. yes? >> i thought it was interesting that vladik actually suffered second generation trauma from his father going into the war, how he starved before they joined

in favor of social welfare projects. meanwhile, you get the sense that someone out there is feeling a little left out in this covid crisis, because she's streaming up a storm and instagram. >> incrementalism is not helpful in this moment. we have to make sure that we demand meaningful change and meaningful assistance for working families. that means 2,000 a month, plus a thousand for your kids recurring. >> laura: that's a pretty good amount, 2,000 a month. why stop -- 5,000 a week! do i hear six? on the left coast though, they are not all about to be outdone by the new yorkers, because governor gavin newsom has his on ideas about how to use the shutdown to open up a path of new climate change policy. his new task force will be headed by none other than, drumroll please, that every man, tom steyer, the billionaire who believes in banning fossil feels, a wealth tax and slavery reparations. he says the goal of the task force is to recover as fast and as safely as possible from the covid-19-induced recession and to create a

socialism. what they could do was welfare and so that brings me back to bob's question. what if the labour party wins big and we have prime minister corbin and will they really an act radical changes in british society and my guess is they will try but this too, we have seen, before a much finer individual then corbin tried this in the late 40s and they built up the british welfare state but the attempt to socialize the economy by nationalizing industry did it but it did not have the results they expected the industry and those industries were struggling more after being nationalized. would they do harm to british society? no doubt they would and that brings back the other point i alluded to that corbin gets elected it wasn't mainstream anti-semitism in a way that would be tremendously painful to me but i worry more about what it will do to the structure of that has kept the world peace and what we have in good reason worried about what trump is doing with his dismiss -- dismissive attitude towards nato in america first and the seeming indifference to the structure that

as you start to spend more on social policies and social welfare nets and disinvest in defense as we have been doing for quite some time. if you have a population of which have more old people than young people and its impact sustain and pay for and work. and their parents don't want them sent off to do things and not enough children to sustain them. if in fact we become a nation that is not a nation of immigrants that is part of where the energy of growth comes from and innovation and success and if we stop and rely solely upon americans we are going to have the same problems. >> i'm going to open up the discussion if you want to make an intervention just identify yourself and ask. a very stimulating and reassuring discussion, so thank you to all of you. so, trade sovereignty is not only not going to go away anytime soon but most probably going to intensify not only in the u.s. but throughout the world. so, the question is don't we need now as people who are concerned about international security and u.s. national interest don't we need now to start thinking about how intensificatio

we have a totally different system of sort of social welfare and transfer payments. for the german economy that makes sense because what are the bulk items in the german economy? machine building, automobiles, they're big-time manufacturing jobs and even as we look ahead around what could the next three months of recovery post-reopening in about two to three months look like then sectors likely going to benefit are going to be able to come back online are service economies like the uk or large parts of the united states hit harder because of the percentage that services are in this economy or the uk, for instance. >> steve, what lasting changes you think we might experience to the way we do jobless benefits in this country from the financial crisis and now the pandemic. >> yeah. first of all, i actually went over to germany and did a story on this shortened work week and i don't think there's anything of implementing this in a downturn that would limit flexibility. i guess it would limit flexibility of workers to move to another sector on the way back but the questio