, 3,000 years ago, they sat around and in places like athens, socrates, play tow, aristotle, carried -- plato, aristotle, they carried on conversations and shaped the age of reason. it was the foundation of science and technology. they built it into their culture to be proud of being able to rationalize both deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning, and that rationale, and even though they didn't get their elements right, what did they have earth, wind, fire, maybe some other elements like that that they used to argue with, they didn't have the tables to be able to put the atoms together and figure out the molecule, but they had a good rationale. the age of reason in greece is the foundation of western civilization. they took great pride in being able to think rationally. if they would transpose themselves, fast forward through history 3,000 years, race through the age of enlightenment in western europe and primarily in france and the dawn of the industrial revolution here and how technology has flourished and we've gone from an industrial economy to an information economy, and se

those guys were xenophobic, traditional, orthodox, socratic. they had a strong overtone to their theology. they believed in charms. they were very much like traditional northern western islam in their belief system. a large number of the people that were working with me in the 1990s joined g.i., the al-qaeda ally in 2001. those guys had an arab-centric world view. they had a completely different theology to the j.i. guys and d.i. was focused not only in indonesia. they had a global focus. why would people join two such theologically different movements in some cases the same individuals in many cases members of the same family? why would they do that. theology can't be the explanation for that. you know, the same group joins two different organizations. it doesn't explain it. also, the theological basis for al-qaeda has been present in islam for about 1,000 years. so why isn't it always been like this, okay? again, theology can't explain the al-qaeda phenomenon. it has to be something else. similarly, if you look at indonesian history there are

we teach you socratic method to be forceful and articulate in your view, to speak in public, a press -- express your opinions cogently and well. but the truth of the matter is, if you come out as talkers, you are going to miss something important in your life. the most important talent you can cultivate is a talent to listen. nobody ever learned anything while they were talking. you only learn something when you're years are ope not when your mouth is opened. when your ears are open to people of all kinds of different backgrounds and views, that is also when and how you create relationships, build bridges, and forms teams almost out of which all great work and accomplishments come. cultivate your listening skills. ok. that is what i learned at harvard law school. that is what i've learned as been, and a faculty member here, and most importantly, as a student here, as well. i'm going to leave you with one must look -- last fought. this is my seventh year on the stage, and the last five, i have given the speech tell how old will give tomorrow -- that how old -- howell will give tomorro

show me, socrates, that justice is good -- injustice is wrong, even if by practicing it, you ruin the reputation for justice. good for its own sake. i can remember thinking, i would like to know the answer to that question. so i did not go to law school. i went to graduate school, to claremount college. >> what was your thesis about? >> winston churchill. i wrote about him in the first world war. it is like dissertations, as good as they are. mine is not particularly good, but i was onto something there. partly because martin gilbert helped me, suggested it to me. churchill was desperately afraid of war. he took part in the last british cavalry charge. it was a glorious triumph, fighting arabs and muslims. the british had a grievance against him because the ruler of khartoum had killed the british hero. kitchener went down there to avenge that, and they want one massive victory. that had almost no casualties. churchill took part in that. in recounting this battle, which he was in the course of launching a political career -- he had every reason on earth to celebrate this overwhelming

wall school you say is the socratic method is about the devil's advocate. let me give you a hypothetical and what do you do with that and this kid is running for law school and our audience think the book is all about high points and joy and wonder. remember how i started out, a single mother, no money, decides to run for congress. there were low points to three part-time jobs. one of the lowest for me is almost $10,000 cash and i would say cheated out of, the suicide line, tell us about those three low points. >> guest: well, the commission i worked with i sold real-estate on the weekend for time to support my teaching had it and i had worked with a family for a number of months and they ended up going to another agent, they had a open house and bought that open house from the agent sitting there instead of me after spending months and months driving around and showing them homes and that kind of thing, so that was rather disappointing particularly because they were high school friends i'd grown up with and i was shocked they would be so careless to not th

law school is all about the socratic method of the devils at the get. let me give you a hypothetical and what do you do with that? of this kid is ready for law school, and she learned it in the sixth grade ms. cahill. ms. cahill, last year audienced think the whole book is about high points in joy and wonder, remember how it started out. this was a single mother, no money, decides to run for congress. there were some low points in this campaign. you had a time, three part-time jobs. one of the lowest points for me was almost 10,000-dollar commission you got, i would say cheated of, the suicide line. tell us about that little boy or those three low points. >> guest: well, the commission. i sold real estate part-time on the weekends to support my teaching habit, and i had worked with the family for a number of months, and they ended up going to another agent. they walked into an open house and bought that house from that age and that was sitting there instead of me, after spending months and months with them driving around and showing them homes and that