you have to ask pollsters for each side, give them some sodium allus all -- sodium pen us thol and ask them. what a poll that had clinton up 4% and she won- by less than 1%? the non-college-educated whites, but the small-town numeral, i suspect they have realreally did -- underrepresented. when you do focus groups you have cities that have good focus groups facilities where they all go to columbus, ohio, they go to with good facilities. but they do not go with good fa. 20 miles, 30 miles, 40 miles south. they do not go out there. tapping into that small-town, rural thing, that they suspicion that i have as far as where we missed tapping in on some of that anger. york.pstate new , that might bek a completely different state than the city and the suburbs. >> a quick follow-up to that. your assumption that the clinton campaign, they probably modeled that the vote would be similar to the obama vote and it blew her out of the water. is that your take? >> it sure looks like it -- charlie: it sure looks like it. my transcript is open if anyone wants to wikileaks a bunch of internal documents

you have to ask pollsters for each side, give them some sodium allus all -- sodium pen us thol and ask them. what a poll that had clinton up 4% and she won- by less than 1%? the non-college-educated whites, but the small-town numeral, i suspect they have realreally did -- underrepresented. when you do focus groups you have cities that have good focus groups facilities where they all go to columbus, ohio, they go to with good facilities. but they do not go with good fa. 20 miles, 30 miles, 40 miles south. they do not go out there. tapping into that small-town, rural thing, that they suspicion that i have as far as where we missed tapping in on some of that anger. york.pstate new , that might bek a completely different state than the city and the suburbs. >> a quick follow-up to that. your assumption that the clinton campaign, they probably modeled that the vote would be similar to the obama vote and it blew her out of the water. is that your take? >> it sure looks like it -- charlie: it sure looks like it. my transcript is open if anyone wants to wikileaks a bunch of internal documents