sofer that has not happened for any side to explain the data. so we are in the middle of it. and that's the state of science. it's a beautiful thing i think. the intrigue and you get people passionate about the argument for or against and you work it out. that's what's happening. >> then there is philosophical questions, combination of things. one is that it was a myth that it was invented later. the teaching was clear from the very beginning of christianity, yes? >> yes. if you look at the early stories of luke and his acts of the apostles, in describing the gospel and then into theaths, he describes the events that unfold and naming historical names and territories that is pretty bona fide historical narrative for the times that people take seriously as much as josephus. the whole genre of other gausles, thomas, peter and that which came in the mid second century is evidence that there was a genre around and multiplied but we are talking about a different genre of ancient texts. and some are 36a.d. the historical point of luke's focus and then first corinthians, 52, early s