i really think that is very important and my church in soho, no one is awake sunday morning and we haveave to look for new ways. >> alisyn: 7:00 p.m. makes sense, 2:30 m a.m., isn't it hard to minister to inebriated people. >> good point. the church used to have a 2:30 a.m. printers mass, people came out of the factories and, i think they really are going after people who are up late at night, early in the morning and say, hey, maybe it is a chance to come and get close to god. i think we have to give them the benefit of the doubt. i think it is wonderful that he is reaching out and trying to attract new people. if we -- we say in my church, if we want things to stay the same, in other words, traditional faith, people coming to god, coming to church we have to change things. we have to know the difference between changing the nonessential and changing the essential and the mass time, nonessential. >> dave: is there anything wrong about having a few drinks and going to church? is there anything sacrilegious about that. >> absolutely. we should not be going to church inebriated, okay? it'