, because sojourner truth basically said, "take those rights." >> exactly. >> hinojosa: "take them." >> "if they want more rights than what they got, why don't they just take them and not be talking about it," she said. >> hinojosa: well, so what do you think about that in this moment in history? are we... where are we in terms of the talking and the taking of women's rights and... >> well, i think that a lot of the legal barriers have been broken, and there is a perception even among women that "all i have to do is find a way personally to make that journey." that's really a misperception of the reality, because an individual struggle is far less powerful, far less successful, than a collective. and i think that's the message that sojourner truth was trying to offer the people of that... or the women of that day, white women primarily. and she was an ex-slave, and she just simply could not understand why they continued to talk about it, because in their numbers they had the power to make change. and that's also where we are today. in women's numbers, we have the power to make chan