. >> did they keep them in solitaire at all? >> no.nk goodness they kept them as a group, greta. >> they tortured them or beat them i have heard? >> oh yes, particularly jim. >> what was the -- how bad was the abuse? >> i really haven't read a lot of it, greta. i don't want to. i -- all i know is that everyone tells me that jim was strong. he put up with it. he took himself to a different place. he was able to deal with it. >> they tried -- jim tried to escape twice. obviously both unsuccessful. one of the times the person with him stumbled or had had -- was delayed and jimmy waited for him. >> so, you know, they did the best they could. it's interesting how, you know, how his faith was, you know, helped him. >> you can't do this on true grit. you cannot do it on true grit. >> jim wasn't a holy kid, okay? jim was just a good kid. >> and documentary film maker michael van dyke was friends with the jim and the other journalist killed by isis. nice to see you, matthew. >> thank you. >> what a terrible story. i mean, none of us, except for