they'd go wherever music was, all over the country, and they found people like solomon burke and ray charles and ruth brown and lavern baker, mickey guitar baker -- no relation. but they found these people, and so they were open to it. it is not like that anymore. tavis: so they did not sign you. >> they did not, but don costa tavis: don -- exactly. >> with abc paramount, and that was a place i went because paul anka, i loved his song, "diana," and i was kind of curious. first of all, paul was only seven months older than i, so okay, he's a teenager. if he could do it, i could do it. then i went in and i wanted to know what made that sort of -- kind of hook in "diana." i wanted to ask the producer, so he had me in, listened to my songs, "let me hear the next one, let me hear the next one," and then i think okay, i don't have any more, and then he offered me a contract. it was amazing. i am 15. tavis: yeah, exactly, i was about to say that -- at 15. so did, and maybe i missed this in the book, but what did jerry and ahmet ertegun ever say anything to you years later about not signing you? >> well, they want