this is not somal somalia and yemen. the resources they have, the thousands of people who are pouring in. the inroads they have to some extent jordan. the expertise they've managed to gather. this is a formidable enemy. i would not dismiss them and assume by unleashing the m militias they will disappear. they will not disappear. this is going to be long termed and entrenched. the more you get others to sign off on doing this and get them involved, the more chances you have with dealing with it. it is way beyond iraq, and it cannot be fixed by air. >> you sound skeptical about using the comparison to yemen and somalia, but in those two countries drones were used heavily in order to decapitate al-shabab and alqaida in the arabian peninsula. the idea was to continue to take out the leadership, and you neutralize the effectiveness of these organizations. is that true? >> we all know that such radical movement of al-qaeda and it's different franchises, they breed when there is chaos. they breed when there is destruction every

particular the two examples he gave were that this was going to be like fighting in yemen and somal somalia. today state department says don't travel to yemen. and it's not holding up because they're so different. you have al shabaab saying they are not a military like isis. that is actually now a military, not just a terrorist group. third thing is on the morning after a speech like that, does your coalition start to form. first of all, i think it should have been lined up beforehand. they should have locked those things down. so i think the speech was about a week too early. spending another week to lock down the allies would have been hard politically for them to stomach another week, but would have been the right thing to do to have that. fourth thing is a really big one. it's not just a congressional issue, it's a question about the authorization to use military force. about a month ago, the white house sent a letter to john boehner asking for the congress to withdraw the authorizes to use military force. they never liked it in the first place. and just last week, they were asked do yo

and displaced many thousands of civilians, the vast majority of them muslims from afghanistan, somal somalia, nigeria, iraq, libya. these attacks have been carried out by violent extremists who thrive in conditions of insecurity and injustice, fragility and failed leadership. these groups hijack religion to control territory and vital economic resources. they brutalize women and girls. they target and slaughter minorities. they are the enemies of faith. as muslim leaders around the world have said, group like isil have nothing to do with islam and they certainly do not represent our state. they should more fittingly be called the unislamic nonstate. yet these groups have become a magnet for foreign terrorist fighters who are easy prey to simplistic appeals. the estimate is that more than 13,000 foreign terrorists fighters from over 18 member states have joined isil. this growing phenomenon of growing fighters is a consequence not a course of the country in syria. a long period of upheaval until recently unresponsive leadership in iraq coupled with outrageous human rights abuses in syria have

>> i think going back again to somal somalia, we have an example of how to defeat the idea.ion in the united states about the war of ideas. let me give you my personal opinion. we don't have a dog in that fight because we have no credibility in the community that is radicalized by these folks. as you say that's got to be people like the turks, the saudis, three pieces of that. number one -- >> where are they? >> they're talking about it, what the president is trying to do is get them on the ground which i think is right. they're reticent to be there because they're afraid. three pieces with he need, unity of countries around the region to put people on the ground so psychologically it's not an american fight, it's a middle eastern arab fight. number two, we need people to cooperate with the sunni tribes because it's the local populations who are going to say we don't want the foreigners in here beheading us. and number three we need american intelligence and drones so besides the fight on the ground we can take command and control in places like sear yoo and we need five or

somalia and also attacking any. >> the previous leader was killed in a u.s. air strike in 2008. he raised the group's profile with bombing and suicide attacks inside somalan't and neighboring kenya and uganda. his death is seen as a major setback for the group. it killing represents a blow to the movement. i believe it will cause a rift among ranks. some leaders who are not pleased with his actions may come to surface. this will serve the interests of the somali government if it sum acts wisely. the. >> help of african union soldiers. but fighters say it was a tactical retreat and they have continued bombing and suicide attacks t in receipt moves, peacekeepers have tried to furth vm sgooit governments advances against al shabaab, devastated by civil unrest are not confident these wins will bring lasting peace lasting. >>> heavy flooding continues to hit large areas of pakistan. 142 people are now confirmed to have been killed by the rising waters which have reached the highest level in 20 years in some areas. rescuers are helping thousands more trapped by the floods. >> this is monsoon season in pakistan. days of rain turn roads into rivers. in the regi

same way we have gone after the al-qaeda affiliate in somalia where we released today the fact that we have killed the leader of al shabaab in somal i can't and have worked to degrade their operations. we have been very systematic and me methodical in going after these kind of organizations that may threaten u.s. person he will and the homeless -- personnel and the homeland. and that deliberation allows us to do it right. but have no doubt, we will continue and i will continue to do what is necessary to protect the american people and isil poses a real threat and i am encouraged by the fact that our friends and allies recognize that same threat. julie davis? >> thank you, mr. president. i want to follow up on what you were saying about isil and ask if you think that the objective here is to destroy and degrade them. are those the same thing in your mind? is the goal to ultimately -- secretary kerry said there was no containing them. so is it to anilate them? and you talked about the importance of expertise on the ground and building up capacity on the ground. do you think since airstrikes are not going to do it here, ultimately if