somalia. i am privileged to highlight the growing urgency of this humanitarian crisis. americans demonstrated great leadership helping those in need domestically and abroad and i am confident we will partner with the international community to save lives and protect future generations in the horn of africa. i appreciate each other witnesses being here and appreciate your testimony. >> i want to welcome all who will testify today particularly wouter schaap from the care usa headquarters in my hometown of atlanta, georgia and many other care people who are here. i have the privilege of being on site with care in kenya and ethiopia and darfur and seen what our energy owns to deliver humanitarian aid as in the case of care, life sustaining techniques people learn to be self sustaining among themselves which is so critical in areas of bad poverty and not well-educated. i appreciate care being here. i am proud to have the home team here. parter peter pham who is on the second panel i am delighted he

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paul somalia residents.the continuation of the work is part of the larger effort to counter terrorism and reduce crime. as i conclude, i want to share a few thoughts. i am sometimes asked if i believe our community can benefit from the somalia advisory counsel or the police athletic leagues. these efforts are different than the traditional notions of police work. to answer the questions, i asked they imagine for a moment that the police officer called to a housing complex to deal with youth problem happens to be the same young people's football coach or math tutor or leader at the camping trip. i ask them to imagine among those same youth are the sons or daughters of the elders who visit my office or i visit their places where they reside. you don't have to imagine connections because in st. paul they really exist. these connections run throughout and they represent the very foundation of our outreach work, and in my experience, these connections pay great dividends. i expect the officers to perform their du

we are over the border from somalia. we heard reports of people literally starving to death here. 30,000 children over the last three months. millions more at risk of simply dying because they don't have enough food. it is hard to believe and hard to take. that is what happens when you have the largest refugee camp in the world. the numbers are getting worse. they say 2,000 more people coming to the camp every day. 400,000 people are already here. keep the simple fact in mind. this camp was designed for 90,000 people. this entire situation made worse by the ongoing civil war in somalia. the militant groups have made it worse to get aid across the border. you come to the camps and meet the mothers and fathers and daughters. they are not too different from people in your neighborhoods. i met a father whose love for his boys demonstrated what any father would do. it will make you truly understand what desperation is. what you are looking at is the most desperate place on earth. vulnerable children. thick with misery. i don'

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somalia. it's the most severe famine a generation, affecting food security for more than 12 million people across somalia, ethiopia and surrounding areas as illustrated by a map i will submit for the record. according to unicef, an estimated 2.3 million children in the region are acutely mel nourished. half a million are at risk of the death. -- acutely malnourished. this is expected to eclipsed the famine in ethiopia that initiative -- initiative global outcry and a great response as demonstrated by memorable events like live aid. the public awareness appears to be absent despite a worsening humanitarian crisis and the need for aid. the situation is most severe in somalia where rising food prices and failures of governments have exacerbated an already dire situation. given the ongoing conflict, pro- government and the work of al- shabaab. officials estimate more than 1500 refugees every day are leaving, flooding the world largest refugee compound which is well over capacity, during half a mil

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basically most of the pirates and of many in somalia rejected to be convicted. they should for hours and spend a lot of their income on that. >> guest: it blew my mind. i mean, it's not even grown in the somalia. yemen, i think many are more addictive. they take their families out to two cot. the somalis would never bring their wives or their child of leased hegemony rosebud and sue malida, which is, you know, out there in the poorest country on earth obviously is spending so much of its foreign exchange to import from kenya and ethiopia, which is the of claim it's much more suited to cut the cultivations of this is one of the reasons that mohammed, the former dictator tried to stamp out caught in the 1970's and 80's not because he was concerned about the health or well-being of his people but because so much of the money was flowing out of the country into antagonistic governments into the hands of the countries that somalia was at times at war with. and so he saw this as funding his enemies and rightfully so. so, but the cot since then since the outbreak of th

we expect the situation in somalia to continue to decline, especially southern somalia, where the u.n. has declared famine and the conditions worsen. there is not a simple solution to this regional crisis. we're working to tackle it through a variety of means and mechanisms, including addressing the underlying causes. thank you very much for your time and attention and we look forward to any questions you may have. thank you. >> thank you. ambassador, if i may pick up where his testimony left off, being able to deliver humanitarian assistance within somalia -- southern somalia is vital to protecting refugees from having to make a long or week-long treks across the desert that are so difficult and stressful on them and their children. might understanding is that the eased restrictions on humanitarian groups in southern somalia. could you explain in more detail the modified policy, the extent to which it will increase the flow of data, and do you have confidence there is enough time left for humanitarian assistance to be provided in southern somalia given the famine? >> that is a multif

i never knew anyone who'd been to somalia. i would guess the same is true of you. >> jon: no, i've got some... (laughter). some people on my christmas card list. >> so it's a country that's totally been manufactured out of news reports and coming to terms with that was sort of an experience. >> jon: is the portrayal of somalia, then, more chaotic, less chaotic, is it in any way an accurate portrayal? is it superficial and exaggerated? what's... >> well, i think it has to be superficial because one thing that doesn't come across in media reports is the fact that somalia is incredibly segregate bid clan and so what you have on the ground is in the south it's a mess. it's sort of like what you see in the news. in the north there's a lot of mini states that have cropped up where local people have come together and, you know, formed governments. because people generally don't like to live in anarchy. and so you have a number of these statelets and one of these regions i ended up going to was the center of the whole piracy explosion

declares famine in southern somalia. that's the topic next before the senate foreign relations subcommittee on african affairs. live coverage here on c-span. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> i'd like to call to order today's hearing focusing on one of the most critical issues in the world today, responding to the drought and famine in the horn of africa. as always, i'm privileged to serve with my friend, senator isakson, and want to thank him for staying with me here in washington after the senate has adjourned in order to help convene and preside over today's hearing. this is a children's crisis. there are hundreds of thousands of children on the verge of death suffering from severe malnutrition in the horn of africa, and senator isakson and i agreed this hearing could not wait. so even while many of our colleagues have understandably returned to their home states and districts, we both believed it was crucial we go ahead with this hearin

you have the redundant somalia.it became a collapsed state, though i think you make an interesting and important description. the collapse state is not the same as a failed state. they collapse state means what happened here, which is viewed as as you describe it enclaves, sub enclaves, each controlled essentially by a specific clan in that territory and their developing government cannot enclaves. but that gave rise to at least the ability for these pirates to begin to organize. and actually make a good point that is easier for them to organize but there was less chaos because they wouldn't get caught in the crossfire. >> guest: right, that play it exploded the epicenter of the whole piracy crisis. in the south, there has been piracy between the south, but as you alluded to, there's tons of competing interest in the south. dishonest, warlords, transitional governments. these are just businessmen, operated in a business environment. it is no barrier century high turnover of great mobility of capital. if the free mar

somalia. in other countries affected by the drought, people are not dying. host: why? guest: because in somalia we have a conflict, we don't just aly fm an-- not just only famine. fighting for control of the markets, the routes. the affected population cannot get access to supplies. host: when did the fighting start? guest: in long time ago in 1999. since then, the country has been divided. we had different regimes succeeding each other. recently, there has been fighting around at the mogadishu area, with a transitional national government is fighting. host: now, what is the situation in mogadishu? is aid getting at least to mogadishu and not being distributed, or is a did not even reaching the somalia at this point? guest: no, aid is reaching mogadishu, but mogadishu is a small part of the country. only people who can get access to the area controlled by the transitional national government, protected by peacekeeping force there, limited peacekeeping force there, the people can get into an in

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take care of the problems in somalia? >> what is all of this providing? >> we provided $30 million, with 20% of the european aid, and then, from the world bank, the 500 million. we do a lot, with the ambassador in kenya and we will go next weekend and talk with the people that you see to see what can be done. we have people who do hospital management in the camps, and we have to mobilize what we can for this situation. >> what can be done for the famine? >> i think that we need more money and access to the people. in mogadishu and somalia as well. this is a very tricky question, how we get to the refugees. and we have the man-made factors, with these systems that are more responsible with a number of animals and things like that. and this is beyond the actual crisis, -- >> thank you. this has been in depth and you are watching dw tv. çç

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the world has the ability today to destroy them in somalia. if that is not done now, then the al shabaab will come back. >> so there's an opportunity right now. time is short? >> absolutely. >> after 30 minutes in the market, the peacekeepers decide it's time to leave. they want to return to the relative safety of their base. night is coming, despite the gains of the last few days, mogadishu is a very dangerous place. i'm joined now by cnn security analyst peter bergen and also a correspondent who spent time here the last couple weeks. >> yeah. >> before we talk al shabaab, you were talking about the world food supply. they say they're running out of food? >> less thachb a month. >> less than a month of food supplies. >> talking about a huge shortfall. and people who aren't delivering on their pledges. >> historical situation compounded with the situation of al shabaab that's the best news that occurred here, al shabaab leaving here on friday. you were in a firefight with al shabaab just last week. you're in a fire fight. you were caught in th

for those still in somalia, there has been some good news. aid agencies are beginning to deliver supplies in territory. until recently, that was virtually impossible due to security concerns. >> we have air lifted and high energy biscuits to meet the immediate needs of the children in those areas. we have deliveries on the way of serial -- cereal to be able to do a general food distribution to people inside of somalia before they have to cross the border to ethiopia. >> once they reach the new camps, the first thing that happens is the children are weighed. all of the -- they undergo more checks. this amount is waiting for the medic to investigate -- to examine his two-year-old daughter. she weighs just 8.8 kilos. for her height, she should wait at least 12 kilos. like so many here, she is severely undernourished. " we traveled for seven days and my daughter had nothing to eat for the last three days. >> just before we left on the bus, they gave her a cup of tea. she immediately got diarrhea. >> they are sent to the camp hospital. medics from

dissent. >> other than the somalia dissent of that has been recruited? >> yes. >> okay. >> and mr. joscelyn, you talked about in your house was introduced for you that you are a terrorist expert and that you have been following this since 2006. and in the comments he said in the very beginning mostly muslims. would you also agree that are there any other individuals, any other groups that are also being recruited and radicalized by al-shabaab? >> surgeon mechem al-shabaab has been internationally -- >> thank you. i yield back the balance of my time. >> the gentleman from texas, mr. mccaul. -- before, mr. chairman, and i want to thank you for demonstrating the political courage to hold these hearings. and i must say i am mystified by the controversies that has followed from this. it is said by one of the members that was investigating muslims. nothing could be further from the truth. we are investigating the radicalization of muslim youth in the united states. does anybody on this panel disagree with the notion that the radicalization of muslim used in th

you had a breakdown in somalia. it became a collapsed state and i think you make an interesting distinction. a collapsed state is not the same as a failed state. a failed state is total anarchy. a failed state can mean what's happened here which is that you have, i think, as you describe it enclaves of foreign particular maybe subenclaves, each controlled essentially by a specific clan or a couple of clans who that's sort of their territory and they're developing their own sort of mini government within that -- within that enclave and these areas. and that gave rise at least to the ability for these pirates to begin to organize and actually you make it out like a good point that it's easier for them to organize where there was less chaos because they wouldn't get caught walking in the crossfire and they didn't have a lot of people to have pay off. >> guest: right. that's exactly why it explodes at the epicenter of the whole piracy crisis. there's been change in the south but as youluted to there's tons of competing

and then there's flights to somalia that i'll go through djibouti.once they get to djibouti you get on the 1970s soviet prop plane, flown by like a drunken ukrainians. they are very cantankerous. their stories of them hitting engines with wrenches. i compared to somalia and the soviet union, one side very strong cubical thais and one side, once those relations collapse i compare these ukrainians in the book to people have just been forgotten about and are just condemned to ferry this neglected root for ever. but anyway, that's how you get your. >> host: so you ended up, the last time you were on, not a lot of foreigners. not a lot of people who look like you? >> guest: none. it was shocking because i went over there expecting to meet a lot of foreign journalist. this was right when the star exploded. it was after the series star had been captured, the oil tanker during 100 million in crude oil that ignited the newspaper headlines. so i expected to find a lot of journalists there. the first to buy me, i made two trips. the first year, during that time

every year the african union forces supporting the fra jiej somalia.the is lal mick holy month has always enabled them to rally support at home and abroad. african union forces underresourced and undersupport cleveland only look on as the supplies roll in. >> extremists are receiving supplies from the sea and from the air. >> reporter: but in spite of all this, the au is makie inine ina. the rods that lead to front line of mogadishu looks deserted. this is the new front line here in mogadishu. it's quite far from the northeast of the city. the last time we were here two years ago they controlled only a triangle of territory, the port, the airport, and the state house. today out of the. the expansion of the secured zone has given them the courage to seek refuge and aid in the capital and the au says given the resources it could do even more. >> the african countries need to do more. we cannot wait for anyone to come and do this job here. somalia is part of after ka. it's safer. we need more troops. we need more troops. of course, the entire world being

. >> this week on news makers, tensions in sudan and somalia. two reporters here to help with questions. sean and howard. howard, first question. >> eight groups are rather critical of the world response to somalia and the broader humanitarian crisis in the horn of africa. they say the indicators have been out there for months, if not longer. was this a preventable crisis? >> i think to some extent it was. obviously, in somalia, al- shabab has done a rivet things in denying access -- a horrific things in denying access of aid workers with food and health care. but last january, early mornings suggested -- early warning suggested that a huge fan and was about to break chart in the horn of africa, especially around somalia. also, doane responses have been slow. -- doane lerch responses have been slow. i have is that one of our meetings we need and it is about to enter million dollars. the u.s., for its part, is providing aid to about one out of every four simoleons that we have access to. if that is not exhibiting, but i do think the administratio

"blackhawk down" immortalized what happened in somalia. the secretary of defense said he did not think additional firepower and capability would fly on capitol hill. democrats and republicans said we would never put our troops at risk without sufficient resourcing. it was a failed mission because there were inadequate resources. we have to do more to make sure the deployment of african union troops who have stepped up have the right kind of capability and mandate to make a difference. i met with major jumbo from king from kenya in darfur. he said he had the same interior mandate there as in sarajevo. it was not robust enough to protect innocent civilians. we need to help the african union and make sure they have the right material and mandate. that goes to the u.n. security council. >> americans may ask what that means in terms of dollars and resources we would have to contribute. >> it is a fraction of the numbers we're talking about. the cbo has estimated by 2021, the interest on the federal debt will be over $1 trillion per year. $48 mi

in somalia and all over horn of africa.

half of somalia's population is believed to the at risk of starvation, about 3.7 million people. the u.n. says mogadishu and four other regions are in a state of famine, calling for international assistance. but somali is a dangerous place and the security situation has made distributing relief supplies difficult. >>> somalia isn't just dealing with drought and famine. it's been ravaged by civil war for years. human rights watch released a report on the conflict. it says the government is being careless with its battle with an armed islamic group and civilians are paying the price. the new york based organization released the report sunday detailing abuse and crimes in somalia. it based its findings on accounts by refugees and other sources. human rights watch says civilians have suffered the most from the fighting between the somalia transitional government and the islamic group al shabaab, especially in mogadishu. >> all parties to somalia's armed conflict have committed serious violations of the laws of war, and that these are contributing to the country's humanitarian catastr

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but they're victims not just of drought and famine, but somalia's political divisions. there's been no real government here for 20 years. relief efforts are severely limited by the political instability here. the worst-affected areas are controlled by al shabab, an al qaeda-linked group, and people here say the militants aren't letting humanitarian supplies into those areas or letting starving people leave. al shabab are taliban-style islamic militants that don't want outside interference. they kicked out aid groups two years ago and banned immunizations, considering them foreign attempts to poison children. al shabab are holding millions of hungry people hostage, calculating it's better to let them die than allow outsiders and potential rivals to gain a foothold in somalia. richard engel, nbc news, mogadishu. >> reporter: this is kate snow in dobley, southern somalia, where pock-marked buildings and heavily armed men are evident the government just won back this town recently. we follow a convoy of aid groups, a grandmother of six says her grandchildren are starving. t

and this is what's happened in somalia. and underlying factor but not direct -- i don't call it a direct -- >> poverty doesn't create pirates. poverty may about necessary, or enhancing pre-condition with other factors you're describing that result in pirates, is probably the best understanding. right? >> sure, yes. >> one other thing that struck me in reading about this, i'm interested to know whether you saw anything about it, was that in response to the piracy problem, that private financial institutions and insurance companies that pay the ransoms have started hiring their own private armies to hunt the pirates. have you seen anything about this? >> yeah. well, it's happened a lot more recently where companies have turned to security teams onboard, and actually there's been a couple of cases in the news lately where these teams have actually repelled pirates. there are problems. the cost makes it impractical for most ship owners traveling through that area to actually have armed security teams onboard. even a poorly trai

dangerous and tragic times in somalia. more on that in just a moment. first, let's check in with isha sesay. what are you following? >> a massive police presence on the streets of london tonight. the government clamping down after four days of rioting. the latest on that and the chaos outside the capital being blamed for the deaths of three young men who were trying to protect their neighborhood. that and much more when "360" continues.av a dream that one day on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. i have a dream today! [ male announcer ] chevrolet is honored to celebrate the unveiling of the washington, d.c., martin luther king jr. memorial. take your seat at the table on august 28th. [ kate ] can't believe i have high blood pressure. what's that thing? another medication. ♪ i really should have taken my shoes off before i got weighed. [ female announcer ] you've got a lot on your mind. that's why every walgreens prescription goes through a

the story of somalia in a nutshell is that there was a socialist coup in somalia and ethiopia. the cubans and russians were trying to build unity between these two governments and supporting both of them, but there were local agendas, and the somali dictator was among many other things and most importantly, a nationalist, and he wanted to reunite the whole somali homeland part of which, if you buy this theory of a greater somalia, lies in ethiopia, the ogden region, a war that's still going on. so he launches a covert war against his erstwhile ally, ethiopia. this covert war spins out of control, becomes a conventional conflict. once he realizes that the cubans are actually helping the ethiopians as well as himself, he switches sides, and the u.s. and saudi arabia and pakistan start supporting him and pour weapons into somalia while the cubans and the russians pour weapons into ethiopia. the net result is the collapse of somalia. the dictator refuses to let go until his army has disintegrated and somalia collapses and there's no government there. and, you know, neither side, ne

but the hardest hit and most vulnerable are in southern somalia. there, civil conflict has combined with the regional drought to produce famine. 10's of thousands of somalice have died and more than half a million -- 10's of thousands of somalis have died and more than half a million are on the brink of starvation. yet aid isn't flowing to where the famine is because much of somalia is controlled by the islamic insurgent group that's threatened and killed international aid workers there. what's more, u.s. antiterrorism restrictions make it a crime for any american charity to provide support directly or indirectly to al-shibab. today at the urging of major aid groups, the u.s. government eased that threat. us-aid administrator rajiv shah is back from the region. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> warner: you are back from visiting somali refugees from camps in kenya who fled. how bad was the situation? >> it's tragic and it's worse than most people believe. i met a young named habiba who had walked for 33 days with her two children and with lit