and the next thing you know, we're looking at another somalia or afghanistan. >> the dictator has -- or the president has often said, like a lot of dictators in the region, he's the only bullwert against al qaeda. >> there's no question that al qaeda is the strongest islamist movement directed at america, other than the one in pakistan. and it is quite sophisticated. so remember the last attack, which were those bombs in the printer cartridges. that was actually quite sophisticated. that was not just a guy trying to light his shoes or set off his underwear. this was a pretty sophisticated bomb making technique. and to your point, anderson, the president is now withdrawing all his forces from the peripheral parts of yemen, consolidating power. but in a sense, he's ce d'ing ground to al qaeda. the people taking over are al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. so he's presenting the world and yemen with a stark choice. which is if i go at this point, do you really want the country to go to al qaeda? >> and they're actually kind of very creative in their terror. it's not going for what al qaed

you don't lot or another afghanistan out there you don't want the northern border that's like a state. you don't want yemen to as it's doing right in the civil war and become the new somalia or the new afghanistan despite a ten year presence in afghanistan it still has one of the world's highest rates of infant mortality and death in childbirth people has this is part of a larger campaign on the part of chevron companies to change my comedy companies can make a difference or oil companies they say should to support their communities we succeed when we make a difference in people's lives changing people's lives is exactly what they did in this community in ecuador millions of gallons of toxic waste water spilled by texaco at a court ruled contributed to the deaths of fourteen hundred people texaco was later bought i shove run a judge in ecuador ordered chevron to pay nearly nine billion dollars in fines an order they ignored and a us judge supported them instead they're spending money on marketing chevron is is continuing just a scorched earth legal political. and p.r. offensive to evade accountability while people in ecuador continue to get sick people on our core continu

30,000 or 40,000 as opposed to well over 100,000 presently and, in fact, employ new intelligence means not only to search out for terrorists in afghanistan or pakistan but like wise for yemen somalia, a whole host of other countries that might at some point be harboring al qaeda or al-shabab or others who could mount attacks upon the united states. hand that we really have much more international focus. or at least we should, than the preoccupation with afghanistan alone. >> rose: you have said? a conversation with my colleague al hunt that you thought we could reduce 20,000 to 30,000 troops within a year. >> just the di cushion we were having whether we're headed toward anti-terrorism, the more sophisticated intelligence means as opposed to so many boots on the ground, very extensive training of police and military people and i say this because although we always press situation representatives we really have no satisfactory answer as to how much this war in ahanistan igoing to cost after 2014. other words, where is in the world is the afghan budget and the facts of life are that it's very, very small. and most of the argument comes back to in the event we're going to continue th

in somalia you know we the united states and boiled in conflicts all over the globe but the only war the weather here anything about in conversation or in most part on the news is the war in afghanistan so i would just argue for americans to keep a closer attention. i think it's that we're lucky in in about the current approach in somalia it's probably the best that's not always the case and an electorate that you know that detached itself from from the from the wars that we fight gets the results it deserves well they have a military correspondent david after breaking down the details on america's outsourced war in somalia. all right well you don't have to be a fan of keith olbermann or glenn beck to know that they are polar opposites when it comes to politics now aside from their big paychecks but that's who earns from their cable news employers the two men have very very little in common at all now after years of generating both ratings and headaches for their sort for their respective networks both men are trading in their mainstream podiums for new ventures but at the strength of their first so knows their personal brand will somehow guarantee success even if that means starting

afghanistan or leaving a vacuum. if we have 25,000 american troops there advising, training and counterterrorism that's more troops than we have with yemen and somaliand other places. this is not leaving a vacuum it's scaling down a mark in efforts to the limits in our resource and to the fact that afghanistan atost is one square, pardon the cliche, on the chess board. putting this much ofmerican assets in afghanistan when china is growing by 10%, india is growing, iran is making nuclear weapons, parts of mex owe are failing, this is what we're talking about and wt american foreign policy is so focusing on seems to me to be his they areally simply unimaginable. when historians look back on this a lot of them will be scratching their heads saying how did the united states 20 years after the cold war for two decades ter the end of the cold war find itself sh inlved in places cald iraq and afghanistan. i just don't see the strategy behind it. >> charlie: jim. >> i think there is geo political reductionism here because it's a messy civil war. from some -- and the second flaw i think is the notion that you can somehow conduct effective counterterrorism o