that if we want government to do things for us and we want roads and bridges and a safety net, sommone somhereg to benefit from that and you can't use that as an exse to not do important thin. >> no libertarian other is going to say that we shouldn't have the government involved. the question is can we do maybe a public and private partnership where th can make their investments back on the road rather than those who are out there to build the roads. these are the questions we should be asing. john: keep government small so these are in the hands of politicians. and yu dn' use some notion that this'll be a little had been a little behind to making the choices are in someone is going to have to build that road and it might be your friend or it might be john's friend. john: what aboutthe nascar track remount. >> i don't know. >> i'm not going to defend every single tax break. the bureaucrats, these are not folks that we have this war. this applies to cogress. >> repepublicans and democrats d we don't want to treat them like the rst of the country. so why do we need to be outraged? >> that' not h