at sompoint, don't you have to make it harder to get some of the benefits? >> completely.e $5 billion people receiving food stamps. many are in need. there are children that need the working poor. we have to talk about the fraud ineligibility requirement. there should be a standard there. there should be oversight with the work requirement involved with the programs as well. >> eric: right, right, right. wayne, when it's so much better to be on welfare than get a job, that doesn't entice people to look for jobs. right? >> correct, eric. the congress recognized some of this, back in 1996. the congress tried to put in the welfare reform act in which the congress said there is going to be a specified amount of work that you have to do to qualify for this. 20% of that has beenwayed by the obama administration -- waived by the obama administration. so the work, the work requirement has been dissipated. so anybody can get welfare now. you see welfare fraud as you say in over $800 million. you see disability fraud high. these are designed by politicians to get a vote. it's delibe