first, there are a lot of things discussed that are not before you, and i do not expect to address somthem, but i want to assure you everything was done with proper permits for the work that was going to be performed and inspections along the way for the work that was being done, including the stairs, so the same complaint was made commoto ddi -- dbi and the plang committee. they gave him the time to be deliberate in researching what happened, and he did the review and came to the conclusion of the stairs to meet code and were properly released. that is the beginning and the end of what this appeal is about. of course the circular staircase is going to take less space. it is no longer code compliant. when you build stairs, they are the minimum stairs, and they are on the property, and i do not know what every other house has, but if they were built to code, and now a would-be like what is out there. we were hearing about this for the first time. goowe are here to answer questis if you have any. >> it looks like they are 4 feet wide. is that the weight of them? -- width of them. there are c