let's bring in sonja shaw, school board president for the chino valley unified school district and jillimonian, director of outreach for prager u kids. ladies welcome to you both. kind of a loss today, sonja, for you and your district. i'm interested because the judge literally said that the judge and the state saying parents do not know what is best for their child. what are your thoughts on the ruling today? >> yeah, my thoughts -- i have a few thoughts. the judge also said he didn't read all the documents yet he made a judgment. how embarrassing is that that this is our system. we don't even read the documents yet we make a judge on something important. but we also made a statement. they said we don't want you as the parents involved. bonta said we don't want parents involved. wake up and realize the state wants control of the children. >> trace: yeah it's interesting jill because the judge also said hey i'm not even sure why this policy came up before the court in the first place, and somebody has to say, well, because parents believe that the schools are keeping secrets from them.