remember, we're a long way from that but this is what sonnenfeld said."kudlow"'s show at the top. cheryl: okay. >> he said basically if you look at these trades they're crazy. particularly right before this one company, he was at a hedge fund called qvc, right? yes. yes. this one company, pharmas-t, was being bought by a initial bet, qvt, that was the hedge fund. he made the initial bets, he said qvt started winding down, sonnenfeld was saying, next three or four years, until right before they were being essentially, they were being shopped he made a lot of money when the buyout occurred. what sonnenfeld said there was nonpublic information he came across now based on sec filings you would know, when vivek started ramping up his positions in this farm a set, that at that point the non-public information started showing that morgan stanley was retained as an adviser for pharmaset. it was non-public then but public now. it is in the sec documents according to sonnenfeld and that is when vivek started amounting up physicians in pharmaset. cheryl: good luck,