. >> he had just won the title against sonny liston and that changed his name of muhammad ali and heacting with us and i was a bit of a smart-ass kid and if people remember the weigh-in with sonny liston and i said, so were you scared of sonny liston and he towered over me and balled his fist and put it in my face and said what do you think? and i said, no, no. and he signed an autograph for me which i kept for years and then my mother in one of her periodic cleanings. >> this is my story, man. of all of my -- i had jackie robinson's autograph. >> mine said to ricky from cassius clay and it was on a piece of paper torn off a bag from the candy store and my mom disposed of it. >> i grew upon in new york at the same time you did. malcolm x was killed in 1965. it was very ominous event, and it was part of a very turbulent time. what are your recollections of that era and how that era shaped you growing up in new york? >> it was an interesting time. i grew up -- and i was born in 1951 and i grew up in the placid '50s and then boy, the '60s just take off with the assassination of presiden

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some of the great heavy weight boxers lost and never fought well again, sonny liston once he was listed couldn't win again, trump one of those guys that can bring him down, that's the end of him? can you bring him down? >> i don't know, it's not for the voters to decide, it's not a me thing. it's a voter thing, what i sincerely believe is trump is misdecided on a whole list of issues. he's off tonally with guys i talk to on a regular basis. he's out of sync with voters in north carolina. given the implications of whether it was the port in charleston or the bmws produced in spartanburg. i again think he has lost touch with the very voters frankly that sent him to office. they voted for a change i don't think it's a change when the vice president goes and stays at a resort, 180 miles from his destination and costs all of us taxpayers. i don't think it's a change when he goes and solicits funds as he did with a fancy hampton fundraiser. i don't think that's draining the swamp. ki go down a long list of things the biggest thing is this notion he said and people down here believe which is i

at the liston weigh-in" -- people said he was very scared of liston i said, "were you scared of sonny liston me, he's like -- he's 6'3", i was like, you know, that big he put his hand, fist in my face and said, "what do you think?" [ laughter ] and in my little 12-year-old, quivering voice, i said, "no." >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] i think that's an accurate - >> and i got his autograph >> seth: you did >> on a piece of a brown paper bag that i saved for years and my mother, may she rest in peace, during one of her periodic cleanings - >> seth: threw it away [ audience aws ] >> got rid of it >> seth: well, you can't blame a mom if the autograph's on a piece of garbage if it's on - >> well -- >> seth: you know, i feel like moms can't be expected >> really? >> seth: yeah. >> cassius clay? >> seth: was it in a frame >> no. >> seth: yeah, well, there you go [ laughter ] >> it was in a little book that i had. i mean, you know >> seth: all right, a little book i take it back you were -- you considered running for the democratic nomination for a while >> i did >> seth: we taped before the debates t