amy: so talk about crossing the border and what it meant to be in the sonoran desert.ean, you have obviously a very different experience right now living in tucson, arizona, but what it meant to cross and then to be there, to survive in the hot, parched desert? >> you know, similar to the boat, i, as a kid, my nine-year-old brain didn't -- i think, subconsciously, i knew how close to danger i was. but in the front end of my brain, i was like, "oh, look at this weird plant called a cactus, and i'm really thirsty. i don't have food. but if i keep on walking, my parents are at that finish line." so that's how i understood this as a nine-year-old. all of the adults around me by that point that we made it to the u.s.-mexico border, it wasn't only the six. there were immigrants from ecuador. there were immigrants from cuba. there were immigrants even from brazil at that time who we all joined together in a group, i want to say, 50-plus. and each try, which it took me three tries to cross the sonoran desert, we suffered a lot. you know, the first time, we were apprehended by