madam secretary, there's been some speculation that the weapons used to kill agent sopata may have possibly be linked to the operation fast and furious. do you have any information that would indicate there's a connection there? >> i have no information of that effect, no. i don't know one way or the other. >> okay. so you can't say -- it's possible, i guess, is what you're saying? >> i just don't know one way or the other. >> you can't conclusively say one way or the other whether there's a link to these weapons and fast and furious. >> that's true. >> okay. we know the weapons were used to kill border patrol agent brian tierry, correct? >> they were certainly found at the scene of that murder. >> the other question i have is i know that the organized -- organized a crime enforcement drug task force -- can you tell us what the role of that i.c.e. agent was with respect to fast and furious? >> well, my understanding is it was very minimal. this is all learned after the fact. this was an atf operation operated under the us a pigss of ocidet. >> do you believe the atf may have mislead your ag