mentioned a moment ago cnn landing this exclusive phone interview with a woman believed to be sophia gadhafi wife of moammar gadhafi, and joining me is the woman who conducted the interview, nima elbagir, and in terms of the phone call, itself, it involved a elaborate setup to make it happen, and how did you pull this off? >> well, you know the last few times that we spoke, you asked me where is moammar gadhafi, and this time we really got an insight into the incredible security paranoia that is now surrounding him and his family. we were told that a face-to-face interview was completely out of the question, and even in terms of the phone interview itself we were not allowed to use our own phone. her office manager came to us, and then they dialed in. to that phone so that it could not be tracked. we were allowed to confirm that it was a libyan number that was called, because libyan numbers cannot roam so we had an understanding that the person we were speaking to is inside of libya. the office manager is known to us to be sophia gadhafi's office manager and other people confirmed this, but

and gadhafi and his wife, sophia, were in the compound, reportedly, again, and reportedly they did escapehe day, and it was the second attack that was close to taking out gadhafi, he said he will not leave my country. seven or eight hours later we were here and heard the two explosions, the attack apparently took out the youngest of his seven sons, and three of his grandchildren. >> i am curious, mike. you said you heard the explosions? where were you? what time of day was this? >> reporter: we were at the hotel here downtown, and you could feel the rumbling -- >> unfortunately, we lost mike taibbi. and this statement was given after the attack. >>> so let's go back to rome. we'll give it another shot right now regarding the beatification with pope john paul ii, with chris jansing, who is live there for us. delivering mass, what did he say about his predecessor? >> reporter: we heard about a pope john paul ii that the people in the crowd really know, a great leader of chris ant chr. and they upped the number of pilgrims that turned out for the beatification ceremony, 1.5 million people th

missiles in the rubble and the spokesman explained that the -- gadhafi and his wife sophia were reportedly there as well, but according to the spokesman, they escaped. it was the third attack that nearly hit gadhafi the past week. a nato commander was quoted as saying we do not target individuals and families, we only target military targets. and that they especially regret any civilian casualties. the report unconfirmed, only from the libyan government, that gadhafi's youngest sonening along with three of his grind children, the victims last night. >>> and the italian embassy, seeing smoke from there. if this is the result of pro-gadhafi demonstrators lashing out as a result of the air strike last night, what kind of armor do they have to use? what kind of weaponry might they use? what kind of an attack might they have launched on the italian embassy? >> reporter: we were watching last night about the 2:30 this morning as there were pro-gadhafi demonstrators in the street outpseudothe gadhafi compound and we heard last night that the british embassy was attacked, and i talked to the spoke