going back to the '80s, what that looked like and this morning on the morning show i interviewed sophia nelson, a gop general counsel, long time republican and she also said this is one of the problems republicans do, using certain language speaking of certain groups. >> will, you and i have had this conversation about the dog when i say elg. you like to say there are these conversations that you think i can hear thaw can't hear and they go by you and we have had that i. i call that an out and out fight at times. >> you and me fighting? >> never, never. disagreement. i want to ask you a question, roland, before i let you go about president obama. he will not be talking to the audience at the naacp today. joe biden will be giving a speech today. do you think there is going to be backlash for the president on that? >> there will not be backlash in terms of i think at the polls, but i can tell you now i talked to a number of people, board members and regular attendees and delegates who are happy the president is not there and this is the third consecutive year the president has not spoken to the