. >> sophia nelson is a senior columnist at the daily beast and former house republican investigative council and author of e pluribus one. we heard a lot of people over the last 24 hours saying this is not what america is. do you think that's correct, sadly, it actually is part of america, isn't it? >> absolutely, i mean, i think that one of the old sayings is the chickens have come home to roost, and yesterday in the capitol of the united states of america, that happened. some of the darkest impulses that we have had in our past history around mob violence, around riot, this was not protesters, this was not dissent, this was anger and mob violence, and it was sedition, and we need to call it what it was and what it is so that we can heal from it and move forward. >> president-elect joe biden echoed what i think a lot of people think earlier on thursday. let's just play that for people. >> no one can tell me if it had been a group of black lives matter protesting yesterday, they wouldn't have been treated very very differently than the mob of thugs that stormed the capitol. we all kn

. >> joining me now is former congresswoman susan molinari, michael steele and sophia nelson. you are all still republicans, i think. right? susan, you still are. >> yes. >> yes, michael, you said yes. sophia, you said no. >> i'm a never trumper. you know that. >> so let's talk about, given marjorie taylor greene, house leader kevin mccarthy. michael steele, since you are in the middle square, i'm going to start with you. this is your party. you led this party. can you republican party you are still a member of and that you led, is it dead or can it survive this latest iteration of it? >> you know, i think in light of the way the last few weeks have played itself out, the continual embrace of the kind of hatred and excuse-making around that hatred, sort of stewing -- stirring people's passion around insurrection, et cetera, the idea of the party is no longer a relevant piece. it has dropped into this wasteland of trumpism. so, the question becomes for republicans like myself and susan and others, is how do we begin to re-establish the ground here? and what course do we take to