hello and welcome to sophie and co i'm sophie shevardnadze and today we're talking about government secrets and whether the public has the right to know. the information society age and an atmosphere of conspiracy when governments declare the leak everything secret. yet deep into private lives. opposing it publishing the facts the concern everybody by standing up for what you believe democracy is blowing the whistle could have you labeled a patriot or a traitor is keeping a dangerous secret the new patriotism can a security state with hearts and minds the cia chief is in the front snowden there is sounds to escape the system. edward snowden has been labeled a traitor at home but polls reveal many americans some forty percent believe he should not be persecuted there's a real global debate going over whether snowden is actually a hero to discuss that i'm joined by a man who ran the national security agency former n.s.a. and cia director a four star general michael hayden it's really great to have you on our show tonight thank you very much so in your opinion is snowden a hero or a traitor. w

hello and welcome to sophie and co i'm sophie shevardnadze and today we're talking about government secrets and whether the public has the right. to information society age and the spirit of conspiracy when governments declare the leak everything secret. yet deep into private lives. opposing it publishing the facts the concern everybody by standing up for what you believe democracy is blowing the whistle could have you labeled a patriot or a traitor is keeping a dangerous secret the new patriotism can a security state with hearts and minds the cia chief is in the front the snowden bear is so to escape the system. edward snowden has been labeled a traitor at home but polls reveal many americans some forty percent believe he should not be persecuted there is a real global debate going over whether snowden is actually a hero to discuss that i'm joined by a man who ran the national security agency former n.s.a. and cia director for star general michael hayden it's really great to have you on our show tonight thank you very much so in your opinion is snowden a hero or a traitor. well he's certai

hello and welcome to sophie and co i'm sophie shevardnadze and today we're talking about government secrets and whether the public has the right. information society age and an atmosphere of conspiracy when governments declare the leak everything secret. yet deep into private lives. opposing it publishing the facts that concern everybody by standing up for what you believe democracy is blowing the whistle could have you labeled a patriot or a traitor is keeping a dangerous secret the new patriotism can a security state with hearts and minds the cia chief is in the front snowden there is sounds to escape the system. edward snowden has been labeled a traitor at home but polls reveal many americans some forty percent believe he should not be persecuted there's a real global debate going over whether snowden is actually a hero to discuss that i'm joined by a man who ran the national security agency a former n.s.a. and cia director a four star general michael hayden it's really great to have you on our show tonight thank you very much so in your opinion is snowden a hero or a traitor. well he's

hello and welcome to sophie and co i'm so create shevardnadze and today i'm having an very special guest that needs no introduction larry king larry spent twenty five years with c.n.n. and talking to all kinds of people then retired and has come back with his show larry king now which is also available on r t hi larry you know this is one of my first shows because my show premiered this week and you want to pray for us first guests. i'm honored to be one of your first guess was so excited but it's kind of like you know god given your first communion plus there's like whole satellite thing where i can share is also like god but anyway it's really great that you're with us. thank you selfie so this is snowden story right it's all that everyone is talking about it it's sort of turned into a fiction serious the leaks the chase the secrecy i mean many countries involved in it what do you see it's a disturbing disturbing story on the one hand americans pride themselves on privacy. it's almost in our blood we don't like to be eavesdrop we don't like their phones tapped we don't like people know

sophie shevardnadze spoke with former cia director general michael hayden and he thinks watching his espionage programs not going to be canceled anytime soon the full interview in our new show sophie co still to come. well i think that programs like the ones that snowden made public this prison data collecting tool are they being wrapped up right now where is the n.s.a. going to go ahead with it and when in your opinion now i would see no reason why either the programs that he revealed the metadata program or the prism program why they would be stopped there lawful they're appropriate they're affective but the effectiveness may be the element that's most harmed by these revelations again adversaries now know what we can do and also know what we won't do the boundaries of american law and policy and that gives them a higher probability that they'll be able to protect their communications from united states agencies trying to intercept them. snowden's revelations have earned him a place in an exclusive clue club a group of people who have upset washington by leaking the names of some of his most sensitive information here is the name now that stands clear u.s. private bradley manning f