kevin sorrento set it up. in 2013d a famous quote around the time netflix was rolling out house of cards of their first big dramas, hbo style programming. he said we need to become hbo faster than hbo can become netflix. that says it all. >> what does that mean? >> that means that netflix was this culture of data science, theneers, figuring out science of television and that is what they were good at. hbo was good at the art of television. over the past five or six years you have seen netflix master the art of television much faster than hbo has mastered the science of it. what is his legacy here, he was a taste maker in a lot of ways? >> he will take a well-deserved victory lap with game of thrones coming out. the final season coming out in april. people love it and it is a great program. hbo programming will be remembered fondly. was -- his legacy >> are people going to say he missed the mark? >> he did not solve the challenging problems that if he had solved it would have been a huge amount of value. if the