>> soufan: no. but the fact that maybe i understood the culture, the fact that i genuinely, as a person, have an interest in these kind of things, that probably helped me. >> logan: there has been times where you've got into really deep, religious... >> soufan: right. >> logan: ...arguments with some pretty high-level bad guys. >> soufan: well, it happened frequently, yeah. >> logan: did you win those arguments? >> soufan: well, i don't know if i convinced them. but i know, towards the end, i have my confession and that what's i care about. ( laughter ) >> logan: just one week after 9/11, soufan and his partner found themselves face to face with osama bin laden's bodyguard, abu jandal. he'd been caught and imprisoned in yemen nearly seven months before 9/11, but now that bin laden had attacked on u.s. soil, it was important to see if abu jandal could help the fbi build a case against those responsible. >> soufan: he walked, sat in his chair, and literally moved the chair towards the two yemeni inter

soufan was called in. so, in 2002, you get a call to speak to an al qaeda detainee named abu zubaydah? >> yes. abu zubaydah is a terrorist facilitator. he was involved in a series of plots to attack american and israeli targets, and even to attack... to attack the pope during his visit to the holy land. >> smith: as a result of an extensive pre-publication review by the cia, the zubaydah chapter of soufan's book is heavily redacted. the interrogation remains a controversial episode in the fight against al qaeda. the cia maintains soufan's participation is still classified. in your book, pronouns-- "i", "we", "us"-- are redacted? >> yeah, and the fact that myself and steve gaudin, you know, my partner on that mission from the bureau, we've been... we've been redacted from that chapter as if we were not there. >> smith: but you did interrogate him? >> yes, i did. >> smith: when soufan arrived, zubaydah was in bad shape. he had been shot three times during the raid. but orders from washington were, "death is

within six months soufan was face to face with zubaydah.was credited with identifying the mastermind, khalid sheikh mohammed. when you get to the part about that interrogation, in ali soufan's book "black banners" it starts to look like this. writing for the first few pages. you start to see a few more redactions. then you get page after page of redacted text. there's something in here that somebody still doesn't want you to know. let me introduce you now to ali soufan to explain why the book is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda."k yofor b. i know you cou be anywhere for your first live interview. i'm grateful you're here. >> thank you for having me. it's a pleasure. >> let me start with the specific and broaden out. who's responsible for the redactions in your book? >> from the agency, the cia. the book was approved by the fbi. when we finished the approval process with the bureau it took about three months and it was reviewed by the counterterrorism division, reviewed by information security.

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ideas soufan for a note sure capitalism has shown its dark side to third world countries including the post soviet countries today he is showing it to the world's most developed countries does it mean that we witnessing a collapse of this new liberal consensus we're seeing the victory the victory of the neo liberal consensus is to impoverish the rest of the world by taking the entire surplus in the form of finance i'll give an example suppose here a buying a house or a person the idea of a bank when you go to a bank to get a loan is how much does this person make how can we capitalize what he makes and make everything above subsistence paid to the bank for a loan a company in america. there will be a suppose you're a corporate raider and you want to buy a company you go to the bank and you bid against others and you end up saying how much is the company's profit and cash flow you will pledge all of the profit. to the bank as interest and then you will hope to come in and downsize and outsource and shrink the company and hope that you can come up with a capital gain just like in real es

ali soufan, how did you joined the fbi? i wasn't one of these guys who always dreamed of being an fbi agent for working with the government. when somebody in college suggested that, and administrator in my university suggested that, i thought it is a silly idea. it is like telling me to work in a circus or something. but i thought it was a big challenge. a lot of people in college especially my fraternity started to make bets if i can make it through the process of being an fbi agent. i thought that was interesting. by the time i graduated from graduate school i finished my graduate work, the fbi offered me a job and ended up in virginia in the new agent club. >> how many years did you serve? >> guest: i served eight or nine years. >> host: you were born in beirut. how did you get to the united states? >> guest: my family immigrated with the war in lebanon and everything so i grew up in pennsylvania and went to school in pennsylvania. my first real job after graduate school was fbi stationed in new york. i moved to new york

. >> ali soufan was an essential weapon in the fbi's war on terror. >> he said, "i want the torture tove you anything you want to hear." >> now he is speaking out to correspondent martin smith. >> you say it's not just mistakes made, it's lies told, it's cover-ups. >> absolutely. >> a rare interview and a telling history from before 9/11 to today. >> no 9/11? >> the world would be very different. >> "the interrogator." >> this report continues online, with more on this administration's expansion of top secret america, things we still don't know-- how many secret programs and how effective are they? read an excerpt from the reporter's new book... >> okay. >> ...plus more of our exclusive interview with former top cia lawyer john rizzo... >> they were going to be just as tough. >> ...and other key officials. >> ...huge new bureaucracy. >> follow frontline on facebook and twitter, or join the discussion at pbs.org. >> frontline is made possible by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. and by the corporation for public broadcasting. major funding is provided b

and tonight's "frontline" features an extended conversation with ali soufan, an f.b.i. interrogator, who says c.i.a. enhanced interrogation techniques are ineffective, and that the agency's failure to share information with him altered his investigation of 9/11. "frontline's" martin smith conducted the interview. here's an excerpt. >> you're looking at this. you're seeing al midar with halad and you're told in the report that al midar was in flight 77 that crashed into the pentagon. >> yes. >> how did you react? >> i basically ran to the bathroom and puked. >> what if that information had been shared, how would it have played out? >> oh, my god. this is a huge "if." this is a huge "if." i think the world would be very different today. i'm convinced. no 9/11. the world would be very different. >> sreenivasan: "frontline" airs on most pbs stations later this evening. check your local listings for the time. all that and more is on our web site, nweshour.pbs.org. judy? >> ifill: and again, to our honor roll of american service >> woodruff: and that's the newshour for tonigh

. >> wl, we hope we do soufan for "hardball," very much.he black banners," thanks very much. thanks for coming on. >>> up next, today in the united nations, the palestinians went ahead with their bid for sovereignty for full nationhood over u.s. and israeli objections and submitted their application as a u.n. member state. we'll talk to the israeli ambassador about what the united states should be doing here, what israel's trying to do. this is "hardball" only on msnbc. so, how was school today ? i have to be a tree in the school play. good. you like trees. well, i like climbing them, but i've never been one. good point. ( captain ) this is your captain speaking. annie gets to be the princess. oh... but she has to kiss a boy. and he's dressed up like a big green frog ! ewww. ( announcer ) fly without putting your life on pause. be yourself nonstop. american airlines. >>> former president bill clinton and house speaker john boehner making good on their promise to finish that flight 93 memorial up in shanksville, pennsylvania. clinton, boehne

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. >> ali soufan was an essential weapon in the fbi's war on terror. >> he said, "i want the torture toorrespondent martin smith. >> you say it's not just mistakes made, it's lies told, it's cover-ups. >> absolutely. >> a rare interview and a telling history from before 9/11 to today. >> no 9/11? >> the world would be very different. >> "the interrogator." >> frontline is made possible by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. and by the corporation for public broadcasting. major funding is provided by the john d. and catherine t. macarthur foundation. committed to building a more just, verdant, and peaceful world. and by reva and david logan. committed to investigative journalism as the guardian of the public interest. additional funding is provided by the park foundation. dedicated to heightening public awareness of critical issues. and by the frontline journalism fund, supporting investigative reporting and enterprise journalism. captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org for more on this and other frontline programs, visit our website at pbs

former arrived fbi interrogators ali soufan was interviewed next and talked about his book the black banners and answered questions. then from the history and biography tent candice miller discussed her book the destiny of the republic with festival attendees. >>> now joining us on the booktv said is jennifer gavankar of the project manager of the national book festival. if you could come start by giving us the facts and figures about the national book festival, how many authors, how many people, what kind of events. >> thank you very much for having me, peter. we expect to have 111 authors on the ground over the next two days. yes, that today's and we are excited about going to two days. people have been asking us to do this for years and we feel we can respond. we are pleased to be doing this. we hope to have as many people as we have as last year which was 150,000 visitors, and we will have our usual six pavilions, the familiar ones everybody knows, plus we've added three new pavilions on day to which will be graphic novels, state poet laureate and the pavilion we call the cutting