as you look back on it, that may have been a much sounder policy than the one of what he has done. >> his own position forged over decades. look at recent presidents, president obama, president biden, president bush. biden comes through who has the relationships with leader schumer, nancy pelosi. when they need to move on reconciliation, cutting a deal quickly, to your point, he has the relationships that goes back years. it's almost like speaking a different language. the language of power behind the scenes. he doesn't have to learn it. he knows it and speaks it fluently. . >> he has meetings with them today. i want to end if i can where we began, with peril remains, which is where you end in the book here. i'm dying to know very quickly, your gut feeling here. donald trump, as you say, at this moment the republican front-runner for nomination for president. the insurrection didn't happen because a few people in the system were willing to stand up to donald trump. brad raffensperger, mike men's, others said, no, no, no. is it your opinion there are those people month could stop him a