then came lollapalooza, also featuring pearl jam and soundgarden.- my perception of grunge is it was the next phase of hippie-dom. it was sloppy, it was tattered. - my parents will look at me and be like, "did you pay for those jeans?" yes, i paid for these jeans. and it's the worst joke ever, if you are of the boomer generation, do not make that joke. (laughter) - what does it stand for? - you know it's really funny, i've always been considered a slob, ya know, and now i'm in fashion. all of a sudden, i'm hip! - you even had heroin chic, which was making models look like they were strung out. i mean, this is kind of where things were. - all of a sudden, people who had had something very very underground and tribal, it was no longer their personal secret to keep. - ya know, i went to umass, and my friend's roommate had a nirvana garbage can, and it was like what? what? - i don't- i know that i'm too stubborn to allow myself to ever compromise our music. - because of nirvana there was a little moment there where you could be like "no i'm not selling