now, my south asian friends ask this question, this is only open to people not from south asia. how many people of these four can you recognize? my south asian friends, even they may or may not be able to recognize one. but can anyone recognize any of the four? so the first one is from pakistan. currently resides in queens. teaches at queens college. i had the pleasure to actually interview him last year. completely his music, his philosophy, his life completely impacted and imbued with sufiism. quotes from sufi sayings all the time, and his music and lyrics are heavily inspired by them. incredible person, has tried to build bridges between india and pakistan, islam and the west again and again. and i have a piece on him which is available online in the magazine. really interesting person. divides his time now between pakistan and the u.s. huge follow anything the, in south asia and among the diaspora. says why sufiism attracts me is that it is a search for knowledge, thinking of who you are. knowing yourself and through knowing yourself, knowing god. when you really see with the

i think in the name of security in south asia, a strong u.s.ndia relationship will be critical longer term. i think it serves our economic interests. i think it serves our security and military interests in providing greater stability in what has traditionally been a bigger part of the world. i like the idea of a fortified india that allows us the ability to see, understand, and interpret what is happening in the heart of south asia. we need more of that. we need more intelligence. we need to know where the bad actors are, who is funding them. we need to better understand the medrasa movement, the way young people are being educated in parts of south asia. i think a stronger relationship with india would allow us to gain more of that kind of understanding. which longer term serves not only our security interests but the security interests of the region and the world. >> we have time for one more question. >> yes, sir. good to see you. >> in your speech you did not mention the united nations at all. i have two opposite questions. first, do you s

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we put south asia was central asia in the state department and the nsc.. we have a european region. includes belarus, russia, and the other states of western and eastern europe. we need to envision it as encompassing the south caucasian states and neighboring region. moving forward, we need to think about u.s.-russian relations in terms of these new geopolitical configurations. the second point is that it is quite clear that aggressive competition between the united states and russia and ukraine, georgia, and central asian poisoned the entire u.s.-russia relationship during the bush and mr. engine. in t is less so now because thee have been efforts made by the obama administration to temper some of that. the differences and problems did not arise from a misunderstanding from a lack of communication, or lack of transparency. i am not sure how far transparency goes in this respect. your money or your life is a fairly transparent statement, but it is not conducive to building rapport between the two parties involved. there is a fundamental conflict of interest in that situation. a simil

mostly from europe, australia and the south asia. government hopes to attract 2.5 million tourists by 2016 and in the process create 350,000 jobs. an international circus festival kicked off in the northern chinese city of szejuan on saturday. the curtain-raiser was an acrobatic "swan lake" combining most beautiful acrobatics and the most dangerous ballet. more than 200 artists from 17 countries and regions, including russia, canada and france will showcase their routines during the nine-day event. the festival will also include a circus competition and a forum on world circuses. china's ministry of culture has instituted a biannual event in 1978 to promote friendship and understanding among nations. >>> hundreds of artists showcased their skill at creating bright, intricate designs with rice powder known as kulam on sunday in the western malaysian state. it's a decorative art form from india. practiced by malaysia's indian community to celebrate special events and festivals. the most elaborate hindu festival of the year, dwali, fall

karzai said south asia must continue to deal with threats of terrorism. >> afghanistan as india seeks life that is free of violence, free of extremism, and that provides opportunities to the youth of this region to grow into a more prosperous and calmer and more secure future for all of us. >> we had detailed and frank discussions on the issue of terrorism. this threatens our entire region, and no country can remain immune to its lethal effects. >> reporter: the deal came about as a result of growing tensions between afghanistan and pakistan. at the afghan government says last month's assassination of former afghan president burhannudin rabb ni was plotted by pakistan. he had been a prominent negotiator with the taliban. karzai is trying to pressure pakistan by deepening ties with india. pakistan's relationship with india also remains 12r5i7bd. fumeio sugaya, nhk world, new delhi. >>> meanwhile, after the meetsing president karzai said he has no intention of pursuing direct talks with the taliban for the time being. with no sign of progress in efforts to talk with the taliban, karzai

the chair of the subcommittee on middle east and south asia is recognized. >> thank you for calling this important meeting. although it is not be expressed topic of our hearing, i would like to say a word on iraq. i am very concerned about the president's recent announcement of a complete withdrawal by the end of the year. fulfilling a campaign promise at the expense of american security interest is neglect and downright irresponsible. it seems painfully clear to me that the iraqi army is not yet ready to defend iraq from the threat posed by its nefarious neighbor to the east. the administration's current policy appears to focus on normalizing our relationship with iraq, but the situation is not normal. i fear that our objective is no longer to ensure iraq is stable, but merely to withdraw our forces by the end of this year in order to meet a political time line. seeing that iraq is secure, stable, and self-reliant, does not make it so. to borrow a quote from you, madam secretary when you're serving in the other body, requires "a willing suspension of disbelief" to accept that withdrawin

opening statements, i will recognize the chairman and the ranking member of the meddle east and south asia subcommittee for three minutes each for their statements. we will then hear from our witness, the distinguished secretary of state, welcome home, and happy belated birthday, who will summarize her prepared statement before we move to the questions and answers with members under the five-minute rule. without objection, the witness' prepared statement will be made a part of the record. members may have five days to insert statements and questions for the record summit to the length limitation in the rules. and we're getting started right away because we will have votes, and we like to be interrupted because of the democratic process. madam secretary, welcome to our committee. we are pleased to have you here to assess u.s. policy and progress in afghanistan and pakistan. in 2009 president obama initiated a surge in afghanistan resulting in approximately 90,000 u.s. troops there now. the president underscored the fundamental connection between our war effort in afghanistan and the extremi

now, hundreds of people have been killed across southeast asia, china, japan, and south asia. and it is from prolonged monsoon flooding and typhoons. in thailand more than 200 people have died. landslides' came with it. in vietnam, the worst seasonal flooding in more than a decade has led to at least 11 people losing their lives in the last week alone. our southeast asia correspondent is in bangkok. we asked her if we were closer to saying the worst is over. >> no, we're not. all the forecasters are saying there is more rain to come. another month or so of what is normally the raising -- the rainy season. the two months we have had so far have been a lot more severe. some people are saying this is the worst flooding for a decade. in cambodia and in vietnam. in part it is because the normal seasonal rains were exacerbated by severe typhoons. the philippines really hard, but the tale ends of those weather systems are filtering down to the region and adding to the accumulated water. has become of building a picture that as it started in the north and northeast of thailand and the

our south asia correspondent, rachel harvey, is there. >> well, it's difficult to know, to be honest, and that is because we're getting conflicting messages from the government on each day. but the tone of what's being said today certainly seems more somber than a couple of days ago, when the residents of bangkok were being told that the worse may have passed, it will be ok in the capital. now we're being told there is seven districts in the north of the city, so within the city limits, which have been put on alert, basically the floodwater we've been talking about for some days now that he built up to the north of the capital in the worst affected provinces, that has not receded, certainly not as quickly as authorities would like. some people would say it hasn't recede the at all. they've been trying to divert that water to the east and west, but there's simply too much of it. they've been trying to shore up the defenses, but some of them are already breaching. so it feels like the authorities are kind of in retreat, if you like. they keep moving these defensive barriers further sout

we need to better understand the way people are being educated in south asia. the stronger relationship with india would allow us to gain more of that kind of understanding which longer-term serves our security interests and the security interests of the region and the world. >> we have time for one more question. >> good to see you. >> you do not mention the united nations at all in your speech. the see the united nations as declining influence in the world? do you see the united nations stressing the sovereignty of the united states? >> i see the united nations playing a role in peacekeeping. i think some of that work has been done well. beyond that, i do not like the inherent anti-americanism that i find exist within the united nations and at times it anti- israel bias. that concerns me. as we regain our strength, that allows us to do more on a bilateral relationship with other countries. the u.n. doesn't lead the world. the united states leads the world. we're in a better case to do that by shoring up relationships with friends and allies who need to be rem

and i think especially with one hundred plus nuclear weapons that's a strategic goal for us and south asia when you think about that because again i repeat my point i mean the pakistanis are rational actors here they have to be concerned what's going on on their border and they know the americans are going to leave they have no standing to say for this go ahead you know absolutely i don't know you know i would tell you i just got to take a. look there is an accused terrorist here in the united states luis posada kind of the less who is accused of downing the cuban airliner over venezuelan skies the u.s. is harboring him they will not extradite him to venezuela how would we feel even as well all of us doesn't start standing drones bombers assassins and started taking out americans that happen to be nearby this guy i mean the pakistanis are acting totally irrationally here you've got a foreign occupier that's been there for more than ten years that we don't know when it's going to leave it's killing people in afghanistan it's now killing people in pakistan and it's calling on the pakistani g

unlike you rance engagement on the other side to its western side in the middle east in central and south asia israel is not really a big factor and therefore i think the ideological arguments against iran can be watered down in washington. so when it comes to creative it's winter auditioner do you see for example you say that when it comes to pragmatic partnerships the political sidestepping and political propaganda stuff can actually be put to the side and a pragmatic pragmatic relationship can't work i'm afraid that's all we have time for doctors through i'm sorry i would love to talk to you further your professor and vice dean of the jindal school of international affairs many thanks indeed. or you can find all of our new stories and much more on our website that's r.t. top qanbar some of the items waiting for you there are right now a whole new easy for you russia's prime minister vladimir putin has published an article outlining a plan to build the eurasian union to become a single economic entity. the former vice president dick cheney says he expects barack obama to explain himself and

that but we have reached a point in international relations and specifically in the middle east in south asia the wars that are conducted there that elections don't exactly mean very much sharin very interesting to hear your thoughts thank so much for your time live from the u.s. middle east expert shereen sergei thank you for being with us and i think thank you well still ahead for you this here in r t double trouble british intelligence faces or confessions after emerges that poison for my k.g.b. agent alexander litvinenko was also working for emily six. and up for debate should the u.k. leave the euro skeptics in britain call for a nationwide referendum on the future of its membership. but first new york has seen yet another series of anti corporate protests which were followed by another round of arrests activists accuse the police of being heavy handed towards those who were peacefully expressing their opinion what is there see a covenant has this report. the numbers of the protests continue to increase so does it seems that heavy handed tactics by the new york city police department we

wgn's muriel clair is live in the 5700 block of south asia with more >>that's exactly what happened an early morning home invasion backfired >>the homeowner said he was preparing to head out to his job when two armed robbers appeared at his back door they pushed him inside a struggle ensued, and he ended up with the gun he shot one of the bandits the other one got away and neighbors said they heard gunshots and they were relieved by the outcome >>the man who was robbed was a very nice guy he works for the city he never bothers anyone we don't know why this happened to them or why he was targeted this early in the morning we have heard that there's a rash of burglaries going on but this is the first one where someone was caught by surprise and was able to do something to defend south and on this block we are very proud of our neighbor >>right now police are still on the scene here they are inside talking to mr. pierce. when i knocked on the door to speak to the police officer they said they were reviewing the surveillance cameras that the homeowner had >>we expect to hear from the homeo

it's in south asia. it's situated in china between due paul. he's so popular among young women his nickname is prince charming. now, he's settling down. his bride is the daughter of an airline pilot. her beauty is said to be the talk of the kingdom. they first met 14 years ago at a family picnic. he was 17 and she was only 7 years old. they look so serious. >> they don't look happy at all. >> maybe they will smile at the party afterwards. >> talk a little baseball. detroit on the brink of elimination. the cardinals doing well. also talking birthday parties. yes, birthday parties. what do you give to a man who has everything? >>> those guys are going to come in here with a serious attitude, aren't they? >> the eagles are 4-0. the eagles are better than their record. they are the football version of the miami heat, if you will. they signed stud players in the off season. they started slowly, have become the biggest story in their sport because they are not winning. the heat turned it around enough to make the nba finals. the eagles are still a th

his first stop, discussions with defense ministers from south asia. they're expected to discuss relationships with china which is not a member of the group. he will end his stop in seoul, south korea. >>> we want to go back over to sal. there's a crash? >> westbound 580, crash involving a couple of big rigs. they were injuries. the fire departments and crews are out there clearing the lanes now. i want to let you know that traffic is going to be slow. it's backed up, according to someone with a cell phone who gave us a ring, back you had up to el charro road. that's going to be a pretty long way. now we're getting word that it might have been cleared to the shoulder. that may improve things here. if you're going from livermore to castro valley, you would you should add time to your commute. >>> backup in antioch and pittsburgh. now we're getting stop and go traffic in bay point. and the morning drive on san jose's freeways, san jose in the south bay, 280 off to a good start. no major crashes in the area. i want to show you some good video -- or some in

diplomatic gestures to china to try to counteract what we do, but i think in the name of security in south asia, a strong u.s.-asia relationship is going to be critical. i think it serves our security and military interests and providing greater stability in what has been a troubled part of the world. i like the idea of a fortified bilateral relationship with india that allows us a chance to interpret what is happening. we need to know where the bad actors are. we need to understand the mudra some movement, and the way young people are being -- the madrassa movement, the way young people are being an educated. i think that serves not only our security interests, but the security interests of the world. >> we have time for one more question. >> in your speech, you did not mention the united nations at all. the uc the united nations as declining in influence and -- do you see the united states as declining in influenced? do you see them of threatening the sovereignty of the united states? >> i see them taking an overwhelming role. some of the work has been done. what i do not like is the inherent

what he said we would do from iraq, the horn of africa, across the arabian peninsula, throughout south asia and all the way to southeast asia. so, we will stay on the offense on these set of threats, and also come in so doing, take advantage of the great opportunities out there at the moment. so, we feel very good about it, as i think you heard the president suggests. >> connie, over here. >> is the u.s. considering selling or leasing drones to turkey against the pkk, and helping iraq to defend its airspace? >> on iran, the president has been very clear about what we expect from the iranians. i am not sure how you are characterizing might view of the iranian threat, but i just want to be very clear. we have big expectations that the iranians live up to their obligations in the international community, be that in human rights, nuclear responsibility, or be that even as something as simple as protecting diplomats. secondly, as it relates to turkey, obviously as you saw the president expressed significant concern about the attacks on southeastern turkey earlier this week. we are awe is sustain

the chair of the subcommittee on the middle east and south asia is recognized for three minutes. >> thankou. although it is not the expressed topic of our hearing, i would like to say something about iraq. i am concerned about the president's announcement of a complete withdrawal by the end of the year. campaign promises at the expense of national security interests are best neglect and at worst downright irresponsible. it seems clear to me and many analysts that the army is not yet willing to face the nefarious and neighbor to the east. current policy appears to focus on normalizing the relationship with iraq, but the situation there is not normal. i feel that our objective is no longer to see that the situation is stable, but more to meet a political timeline. the deputy national security adviser did not make it so. to bar away " from you, madame secretary, when you were serving in the other body, it required a willing suspension of disbelief fit to accept the withdrawing of our forces from iraq at a time when agents sought to harm every turn, the allies in the strategic interests. i un

but achieving our objectives in south asia through pakistan may not be tactically possible in the nearo we night want to concentrate on the depth of the longer term relationship and recognize that there are some things they will not do. and we have to make conclusions based on that. >> general hayden, congresswoman harman, i have to stop through. i'm so sorry but please come back, there's always fun stuff to discuss. >>> up next, top stories. >>> then mississippi governor haley barbour on the 2012 field. >>> but first fareed zakaria. >>> we have a really important show today on gps. we look at what to do about america's more vex poliling policy, relations with pakistan. chairman mullen stands by his comment that the deadly haqqani group is a veritable arm of the pakistani military. >>> we also have the other side of the story. i'll speak with pakistan's new foreign minister coming up later on gps. the postal service is critical to our economy-- delivering mail, medicine and packages. yet they're closing thousands of offices, slashing service, and want to lay off over 100,000 workers. t

like the philippines and malaysia, a nation in the south asia sea. >> he called me and said, he's over't see him. but i missed him by about two hours but i got a business card. it says dennis austin. that's his middle name. >> reporter: it could be another near-miss. standefer could be long gone once again. or he might still be in jakarta. this might be karl's last best chance to end his two-year hunt. by this point, he says, his time with dennis and the search for him had cost him more than $30,000. he didn't have much cash left. just enough for one more shot. should he take it in jakarta? there was only one way to find out. karl ryll had to go to a country where he knew no one, and had no contacts at all. and if he found the man he was looking for, what could he do? and what might happen to him? >>> coming up, karl ryll hits the streets of jakarta. had standefer slipped away again? >> i had pretty much given up. i thought, it ain't going to happen. [ horn honks ] hey, it's sandra -- from accounting. peter. i can see that you're busy... but you were gonna help us crunch the numbers fo

reporter: whatever karzai's motive, it underscored how maddeningly impenetrable the politics of south asia can be. >> woodruff: now, back here in the u.s., the big problems still facing the housing market as states struggle to cope with mounting foreclosures. president ama proposed some corrective steps today at the same time he heads into a tough re-election campaign. with some 11 million homeowners underwater on the value of their homes and five million foreclosures expected in the next few years, housing remains a major drag on the u.s. economy. today, the president headed west to nevada-- the state with the highest foreclosure rate in the country-- to roll out a new plan to help some homeowners. the administration announced it would adjust the so-called home affordable refinance program or "harp"-- to make it easier for borrowers to refinance their mortgages regardless of how much their home values have dropped. it also would eliminate or waive fees. the plan is open to homeowners with mortgages guaranteed by fannie mae and freddie mac before june of 2009. previously, the program would

but achieving our objectives in south asia through pakistan may not be tactically possible in the nearo we night want to concentrate on the depth of the longer term relationship and recognize that there are some things they will not do. and we have to make conclusions based on that. >> general hayden, congresswoman there. i'm so sorry but please come back, there's always fun stuff to discuss. >>> up next, our soun soun, highlights from the other sunday morning talk shows, then "fareed zakaria: gps" at the top of the hour. ♪ whoa, watch out, little man. ♪ [ male announcer ] when you take away the worry, it's easy to enjoy the ride. hey, bud. hey, dad. [ male announcer ] introducing cadillac shield. the most comprehensive suite of owner benefits offered by any luxury auto maker in the world. [ gasp ] [ mom ] my husband -- he thinks it's a 3-sheeter. i say 1-sheeter. bounty can clean the mess with less. [ female announcer ] in this lab demo, 1 sheet of bounty leaves this surface as clean as 2 sheets of the bargain brand. ♪ dance cooking? bring it. super durable. super absorbent. super cle

but i think in the name of security in south asia, a strong u.s.-indian relationship will be critical longer term. i think it serves our economic interests and our security and our military interest in providing greater stability in what traditionally has been a troubled part of the world. i like the idea of fortified a bilateral relationship with india that allows us more and ability to see, understand, and interpret what is happening in the heart of south asia. we need more intelligence. we need to know where the bad actors are -- who is finding them. we need to better understand the madrasah movement, the way young people are educated. i think the strong relationship with india will allow us to gain more of that kind of understanding, which longer term, service not only our security interests but the security interests of the region and the world. >> we have time for one more question. >> yes, sir? good to see you. >> thank you. in your speech, he did not mention the united nations at all. i have two opposite questions. first, do you see the uni

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we are focused as i'm on the grand strategy but also critical regions south asia, the middle east, and then a critical issue that needs a lot or data analysis, discussion deliberation, counterterrorism space. we are really blessed with two great counterterrorism researchers steve coll mack and peter bergen on her staff and we have an extraordinary team here and this event is coming out of that space and that desire for more debate and discussion and it is about the nature of the threat and our responses to it. and so it is on back that we are especially glad to have glenn carle, author of the new book "the interrogator" an education. i think it is available outside at the good independent booksellers around the country. putting in a plug. and "the interrogator" linda for sale fortunas udc inside the struggling early years right after the attacks on 9/11. i will let glenn tell his story. a quick scan of the headlines in counterterrorism today showed that it is questionable as to how much we have learned the hard lessons that glenn and his colleagues at the intelligence community lived o

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pakistan is an incredibly important country in south asia. we're talking about 180 million people, a country that will be experiencing ways that is important in south asia because of its relationship with india, a country with nuclear weapons. continuing to engage in pakistan will be very important. the u.s. walked away from that region in the 1990's. it does not want to make that mistake again. that is one of the reasons why we continue to engage not just with the military but also in terms of bolstering civilian institutions in pakistan over the long term. that is why the debates we are having is over how to engage rather than whether we should. host: an independent in greenwood, arkansas. caller: if we was to reduce our troops to 10,000 and supply air trips by air -- counter insurgency has proven not to work. main strategy of the terrorist is to wear down their opponents with asymmetric war which does not cost them anything but costs us everything. that is why our economy is their main defense. we need to use counter- terrorism to invade a

to know where to listen in and also i would like to know if such conversations are happening in south asiain pakistan for pakistan in tolerance. >> as i am searching for this telling e-mail that i got from pakistan let me quickly tell you that where you can eavesdrop on reformist conversation among muslims in america, pick up my book and for the last number of years are have been on the receiving end and had the privilege of getting these sentiments from reform minded muslims and have posted them on my web site for the last decade. i responded to these messages and created a dialogue and even multiblog because i had a tracking mechanism of these folks that i was able to incorporate them into my book. it worked out well. the point is there is some grand forum in which these conversations are happening. there is a reason it is not happening in that way. there will be plenty of people who say you can't reduce it to that. you are just playing on other people's fears. when my mother and i went to the they troy area to screen my pbs documentary called faith without fear, when we went to the area

undeniably has a powerful intelligence agency that has been involved in many ways all over south asia. united states undeniably has been involved in pakistan in unhelpful way is. they supported military dictators going back to the first one. they supported the hottest groups which were used to fight the soviets in afghanistan based on pakistani soil. at the same time, it seems to me as an outsider that the accusations against outside forces get a little vague and go beyond the evidence. when i was in pakistan in may there was an attack, pakistani military base in karachi and a serving pakistani military officer wrote in the newspaper publicly under his own name, spilling out a theory held united states was probably behind the attack at the pakistani military base apparently as part of a conspiracy to destabilize pakistan so the u.s. would have an excuse to seize pakistan's nuclear-weapons. i have yet to see evidence that when the government is trying to stabilize pakistan that the u.s. government is also trying to destabilize the country. even though grave mistakes have been made. >>