and also narratives which might be no, but were not known as south carolinians. boston kings one the 18th 18th century slaves, he is known in british abolition circles. is been identified in transatlantic connections. but he was from south carolina and affected to british lunch in the american revolution. then went to canada, to nova scotia and into africa when he ended up his memoir. so including them as a south carolinians was a new way to conceive of his history. people like that. when a collection of seven people that were not well known or were known in other contexts. for the first time ever we could bring them back into print and put them together and see the connections between the moral coherent narrative of what the store in south drive slavery was like. >> what were the major themes included in the recollections. >> well, there were both small and big themes. there were small patterns. three of the seven people were child jockeys. two of the seven individuals actually were slaves to confederate forces in fort sumter and the cold war of the carolinas. th

and as a south carolinian was a new way to conceive of the history. people like that, we had a collection of seven people that weren't well known or were known at other contacts. for the first time ever, we did bring them back into print and put them together to see the connections between the more coherent narrative of what the story of south carolina slavery was like. >> what were the major scenes and reflections? >> well, there were both small and big themes. small patterns. three of the seven people were child's jockey. two of the seven individuals actually were slaves to confederate sources in fort sum per. they were not confederates. there were odd little connections. the biggest connection was even the people that left or escaped all firmly identify themselves as sort of having a relationship to where they are from. but they within the going to let someone take that away. they would not identify themselves as african, for one exception that boston king ended up going back. for the rest of them, they wanted to claim themselves adds part of the h

i see a few south carolinians are more than grumpy. they are enraged by his neocon. and you introduced as to the relatively unknown, at least unique, and unheralded man, nature by bert andrus and who has been given command of the federal garrison at fort moultrie, also when harbor. in particular, help us understand what is going on in anderson's mind as he is giving the command of what might be a hopeless task. >> guest: well, i do want to thank you for your introduction and also the part about being young. i've gotten us a couple times. it just sort of thought, only in the context of civil war historians to someone who is 40 years old get to be called this kid all the time. anyway, as a kid. but anyhow, i am glad you brought up this character of robert andersen because he is one of my favorite characters in all the book. he is the first year of of the union cause, largely forgotten today by most people except for the real sort of civil war that. and he is fascinating to me because he is a very well at ichiro. he is sort of an accidental euro, which to me is the most

and also that might to be known as south carolinian is. one of the 18th century slaves was known in british abolitionist circles and identified transatlantic but from south carolina and then went to canada and nova scotia and africa where he writes his memoir. so that was the inouye to conceive of a history. have a collection of seven people that for the first time late days ever to see the connections of a more coherent narrative. >> what major scenes were reflected? >> both small and big. small patterns. two out of seven wars slaves to confederate forces in and in the carolinas they were slaves to those forces. but the bigger connection is even those who left south carolina pay all referred to themselves as a from a relationship that would not let somebody take that away from them. but the rest of them this tingley 12 claim themselves although they have both left the state. and even through the 20th century. >> what story resonates with you? >> the number of them and speak to me in different ways. zero clarinda is very short and mysteriou

. >> then north and the south take this is south carolinian and particularly see it as a way to reunite with the north for business reasons and they see it as a way to reignite with south carolina to say we tried to destroy data miserable city. now we 12 help clean it up and make amends and reconnect. but while this is a great triumph for black people it is a real threat to. it means the then tune to in the backs which has had a good run so it is a turbulent moment in history. >> white city leaders reaching out to four merck confederate officers. of those of the people who are running the city and when they put up a relief committee even though the city is 60 percent black, they put no black people on any of the committee. the small town that is closer to the epicenter and charleston put black people of their relief committee but they did not even consider it and there was a really strong effort especially led by black ministers to say we can reach the people who need the help better than you can. let us help you find them and the city leaders said, no thanks. labor was a big favor. the

one south carolinian. two south carolinians.ny of you live in the have a sinity of fort sumter at all? you might want to consider leaving the room. just kidding. let's go here. first, let me talk a little bit about lincoln personally. just as a prelude. a couple things about him. he had an incredibly arduous upbringing. we have all heard about the log cabin myth. it wasn't a myth. and if it was a myth it's only because it exaggerated the wealth in which he was brought up. when his family moved, when he was a very young boy, from kentucky to indiana, they didn't have a log cabin, they had a three sided tent. they didn't even have a fourth side. it was opened to the elements. they didn't build a cabin until lincoln and his family cleared enough of the woods nearby to get the material for a log cabin. there was a neighbor who lived miles away who remembered as a child until her log cabin through the chinks in the logs at nighttime they would he see the glowing eyes of wolves. so this was the real fronteer, it was -- frontier, it wa

a lot of attention to the state, and while the other candidates are in iowa, too, it allows south carolinians to raise their hands and say we're going to be important in this race. >> thanks for phoning in. we invite you to live coverage of the iowa straw poll. at 4:00 p.m. eastern we have a special edition of andrea mitchell reports. from 6:00 to 8:00 chuck todd hosts a special edition of the daily rundown with all the poll results for you. >>> developing news for pakistan where the u.s. embassy has confirmed an more than contractor has been kidnapped. pakistani place say he was abducted by gunmen from his house in lahore near the border of india. jay gray is in london with the latest here. good morning. any new information about the napped american and the status of things? reports indicate he's been working for several years in pakistan as the country director for development contractor. according to the company's website. he holds a ph.d. in international law is fluid in six languages and worked in the field of international development for 20 years. the attack was carried out by as many

one south carolinians, two. do you live in the vicinity of fort sumpter? consider leaving the room. just kidding. first let's talk about lincoln personally, a prelude. he had an incredible upbringing. we heard about the log cabin and it wasn't a myth. but it exagerated the way he grew up. when his family move from kentucky to indiana, they had a three-sided cabin and didn't build that until they had cleared enough rooms to get the material for a log cabin. there was a neighbor miles away and remembered in her cabin through the links in the logs, they could see the glowing eyes of wolves. this was the real frontier, it was characterized by drunkenness and ignorance. there was those who thought that lincoln did not meet a preacher until he was a young adult. had one year of formal schooling, it was self-educated and had to go out of his way to get self-educated. there is a story that he walked six miles to get english grammar book. when he was a boy his mother and aunt and uncle died at the same time of milk sick. that sounds cute and charming now. but what

one south carolinian, two. any of you live in the vicinity of fort sumpter?to leave the room -- just kidding. lincoln had a rough upbringing. and we hear about the log cabinness, and it wasn't a myth but only to exagerate the wealth in which he brought up. when his family moved to indian athey had a three-sided tent. and they didn't build a cabin until lincoln's family cleared enough of the woods nearby to get the material for a log cabin. there was a neighbor that lived miles away and remembered as a child through the logs at night time they would see the glowing eyes of wolves. this was the real frontier that was characterized by drunkenness and violence and ignorance. there are some people that speculate that lincoln may not have met a preacher that thought the earth was round until he was a young adult. he had one year of formal schooling, and was self educated and had to go out of his way to be self-educated. he walked miles to get books to teach himself grammar. he had connections with death. when a boy his mother and aunt and uncle died at the same tim

i would say a few south carolinians are more than grumpy about the outcome. they are enraged about the outcome. you introduced us to a relatively unknown, at least to me, an unheralded man, major robert anderson who is just been given command of fort moultrie. also in charleston harbor. i wonder if you could talk a little bit about those events in december of 1860 and in particular help us understand what is going on in anderson and's mind as he is given the command of what might be a hopeless task? >> one thing i do want to thank you rick for your introduction and also especially the part about being young. i've gotten a couple of -- and i sort of thought, only in the context of civil war historians to someone who is three years old get to be called the sort of kid all the time. anyway, i like it. but, anyhow, i am glad you brought up the character of robert anderson because he is one of my favorite characters in the book. and he is the first hero of the union cause. largely forgotten today i think the most people except for the real sort of civil war nuts.

i would say a few south carolinians are more than grumpy about the outcome. they are enraged about the outcome. you introduced us to a relatively unknown, at least to me, an unheralded man, major robert anderson who is just been given command of fort moultrie. also in charleston harbor. i wonder if you could talk a little bit about those events in december of 1860 and in particular help us understand what is going on in anderson and's mind as he is given the command of what might be a hopeless task? >> one thing i do want to thank you rick for your introduction and also especially the part about being young. i've gotten a couple of -- and i sort of thought, only in the context of civil war historians to someone who is three years old get to be called the sort of kid all the time. anyway, i like it. but, anyhow, i am glad you brought up the character of robert anderson because he is one of my favorite characters in the book. and he is the first hero of the union cause. largely forgotten today i think the most people except for the real sort of civil war nuts.

i would say a few south carolinians are more than grumpy about the outcome. they are enraged about the outcome. you introduced us to a relatively unknown, at least to me, an unheralded man, major robert anderson who is just been given command of fort moultrie. also in charleston harbor. i wonder if you could talk a little bit about those events in december of 1860 and in particular help us understand what is going on in anderson and's mind as he is given the command of what might be a hopeless task? >> one thing i do want to thank you rick for your introduction and also especially the part about being young. i've gotten a couple of -- and i sort of thought, only in the context of civil war historians to someone who is three years old get to be called the sort of kid all the time. anyway, i like it. but, anyhow, i am glad you brought up the character of robert anderson because he is one of my favorite characters in the book. and he is the first hero of the union cause. largely forgotten today i think the most people except for the real sort of civil war nuts.