they were baptist, southern baptist so i was brought up in the baptist faith tradition. they were leaders in the church. my dad served as a deacon and both of my parents taught adult sunday school classes. it seemed like we were at the church every time the doors open. i learned to take my religion very seriously. so much so that when it was time to choose a college to attend i chose baylor university. i had to face the fact that i was different because i fell in love with the girl at taylor. now when i had been in high school i had what i call strange feelings toward a particular girl. having been brought up in a very conservative home i had never heard the word. i had no idea it was even possible for a girl to fall in love with another girl. so i have no vocabulary to explain to myself what it was that i was feeling. as i have already mentioned i fell in love. we were both 17 and this was in 1956. when the christmas holiday came we were separated for the first time and we missed each other so much that we were always writing letters back and forth. each evening i propp

they were southern baptists. so, i was brought up in the baptist faith tradition. they were leaders in the church. my dad was a deacon and those others talk about sunday school classes and it seemed like we were at the church every time the doors opened. i learned to take my religion very seriously, so much so that when it was time to choose a college to attend, i chose baylor university and it was there that i had to face the fact that i was different because i fell in love with a girl at baylor. when i had been in high school, i had what i called a strange feeling towards a particular girl. having been brought up in a very, very conservative home, i had never heard the words gay, lesbian, homosexual. i didn't even know that it was possible for a girl to fall in love with another girl. so i have no vocabulary to explain to myself who and what it was i was feeling. so, as i've already mentioned, i fell in love, we were both seven team and this was in 1956. when the christmas holidays came, we were separated for the first time and we miss each other so much that we

the department of defense would not allow that and that american mission board of the southern baptist convention said basically he's not allowed to. my understanding is, defense department policy is that you cannot go against the wishes of your endorsing body. so he made arrangements, bowed out and had someone else handle the retreat. now mikey weinstein who is always going after folks in the military on religious issues as if you are going to be using, couples as a sin against god, you can change her attitude. and he should be charged with dereliction of duty. >> i will tell you i'm very upset over this and it's because this is happening in a command that i have a number of years ago at fort bragg, north carolina. the major general, major general sontag that is committing this command is dead wrong, because he either doesn't know the army regulations and he doesn't know about liberty and he doesn't know what the department of justice just published in the last two weeks as a memorandum on what's expected of executive branch personnel. he apparently doesn't know any of that because he

they were southern baptists. so, i was brought up in the baptist faith tradition. they were leaders in thehu

it was very southern baptist. i was raised southern baptist. >> seth: no mtv in t town? >> no.s. they're gonna -- but the college in the town he was, like,able company didn't carry it. >> seth: oh, wow. >> so, there was no mtv. >> seth: and yet you -- you grew up to be a rock musici where did you get your love of music, if you were sort of limited by -- >> my parents. >> seth: okay. >> my family. llgrew up in -- i have a r cool family. and they just listened to a lot of music. music was always around. like, even my sister now just walkaround with a beats pill >> seth: uh-huh. [ light laughter ] >> she just, like, walks aroun >> seth: see, i have -- >> headphones, okay. >> seth: i have people in my family -- my father-in-law walks around a lot with his laptop open, playing mu c. >> that's cool. that's my style. >> seth: see, i don't love it. [ light laughter ] >> i -- i have a -- i think it's cool. >> seth: i think it'cool for hi >> because then -- guess what you could do? shoot off an email. you can watch something on netflix. because iphones, you still can't watch a screen, te

i was raised as a fundamentalist evangelical southern baptist, i see that, -- i say that, because american conspiracy culture interacts with religion, we have to talk about that, when we do, i don't want to seem that i am being derisive or joking about religious things, i think there are crucial things professionally and personally to me as a historian, we need to talk about those issues, the place that i'm coming from is not a place from outside religion but within it, so any criticisms or comments are from a person who is part of a culture that you are also critiquing.>>> when i was in graduate school, i was working on spiritualism, i'm not sure how familiar you are, but it was the popular belief in the 1850s that it was possible to talk to the spirits of the dead. it becomes a cultural phenomenon, having siances, and the 1860s, talking to the dead, and the fox sisters in 1848, the thing that fascinated me, i was familiar with the academic work, things like keith thomases religion in the decline of magic, as we become more modern in the enlightenment, our belief in things like witches an

more than being a creature of d.c., i'm a creature of the southern baptist church. i think that the lesson of john mccain is, hopefully, one that this president learns, one of redemption. we will give this president the opportunity to behave in a dignified fashion at the passing of our friend senator mccain and we hope he can take some examples. a dig anified example of leadership and how he bought into the politics of hate. we remember the woman saying obama is at his rally. he rejected that to her face. >> and took the mike. >> and took the mike, in front of the party and set the example. we can only hope, on a sunday, that president trump has lessons in redemption and growing up, being better than. that is the lesson of senator john mccain. >> you know, you said you interviewed mccain a lot. >> yeah. >> one of the things i got around him was he made you act at least a little more mature. you had to put your big boy pants on. >> you had to stand-up straighter. the one what if. if no bill clinton, if no ross perot, the person who succeeds george h.w. bush is the no

i was raised a southern evan jell cal baptist. i don't want to ever seem like i'm dirisive or joking about religious things. we need to talk about some of the issues, but i'm laying out that a place i come from is not a place outside religion but within it, so any comments i'm making is from a person that is part of a culture that you're also critiquing. when i was in graduate school, i was working on spiritualism. i'm not sure how familiar you are with spiritualism, but it was a popular belief in the 1850s that it's possible to talk to the dead. it became kind of a cultural phenomenon. people having seances going through the '60s, and i was focused on keith thomas' belief about religion. as we become more enlightened, our belief in witches and fairies are becoming less. in the 1850s in the time of steam ships and telegraph and laying telegraph cables that link new york and london, people in america, and other parts of europe, but particularly in america, are fascinated with talking spirits. how do we move to this direction of mat

. >> zeth, ph.d from southern baptist theological seminary, biblical interpretation, where is it located? >> right outside of raleigh, north carolina. >> master's from masters college where? >> southern california, los angeles area. >> are you a pastor? >> no, i have not been a poster -- pastor but definitely enjoy the environment of a museum where it can be a very collegial civil discussion as to how we understand history and it's been a great environment. >> paul in king, north carolina, good afternoon. >> yeah, good afternoon, guys, thanks for having me ask the question. >> and what is the question, paul? >> okay, the question is in this museum, do they have -- excuse me, any kind of history of how our bible come to us like the four gospels, matthew, mark, luke and john were actually written after these apostles had died and if the bible -- if the museum has a section on the counsel in compiling the bible at the time and all the archaeological finds that have been discovered recently that show at the beginning of christianity and the first and second century that there were books that

the reason it is structured that way is to separate those people if you are in southern baptist church of the nazarene faiths have the structured compone. >> of the second coming of christ, there's the larger view will that eventually happen, that is to say in my lifetime? is this an event that i do thinking of my life forward with the expectation that christ would appear within the next 40 years? so in other words my estate planning might be a little different, right? so the number is 41%. it was a preresearch of only 1,500 adults. so those numbers are a little more fuzzy. this is 2012 nat geo survey. 79% believe the government is keeping information about ufos from the public. you ask someone -- and i don't know exactly how these numbers work. remember the phrasing of questions can bring up different things. you try to phrase a question, people read it a different way. but it's not beyond what we've talked about today to say in the first place i don't believe ufos exist, because if you ask me the question is the government covering up, yes. even if i don't think it exists or covering

she was a southern baptist all the way through. she had some interesting stories to tell about the chairman. she had volunteered to testify and went over and asked to testify, that is how passionate she felt about it, and they said no thank you. so we got rob a lot about that. one morning, we went in and did 1 minute speeches. a wonderful young woman entered a camp, i said was going on. she said go outside, walk over to the senate this way. we knew they were having their lunch. she said do it outside so the media sees you. go up the stairs, go in there and knock on the door. so we did. all of the democratic senators were meeting for lunch as they do every week knock on the door. the majority leader answered the door and said we don't let strangers in here. we kind of said strangers? we thought of ourselves as your equals. then we said you know these people in the hall around us, they are the press. what are you going to do? he said come back at a certain time and i will talk to you. let me find out what is going on. we are trying t

i mean, she was a southern baptist all the way through. she had gone -- very straight arrow. straighter than straight. had some interesting stories to tell about the chairman. she had volunteered to testify and went over and asked to testify. that's how passionate she felt about it and they said no caps on of thank you. we got really rather riled about that and one morning we went in and did one minute speeches. you know. a wonderful young women who did my press back then, andrea cap, i said what can we do. she said go outside, walked to the senate this way. we know that they were having lunch. she said do it this way so it won't be distracting. go up the stairs, go in there and knock on the door. so, we did. well, the democratic senators were meeting for lunch, as they do every week. we knocked on the door. to our shock, the majority leader answered the door and said we don't that strangers in here. and we had of said -- strangers? thought of ourselves as your colleagues, excuse us. and then we kind of said you see all these people out in the hall behind us? toy are press, t

so the reason it is structured that way is to separate those people, if you are in southern baptist church of the nazarene, faiths that have a strong component of second coming of christ, like i was raised in, there's a large number of people who said that will eventually happen and of course they would say yes in my lifetime. i do -- i think of my life forward with the expectation of christ appearing in the next 40 years. my estate planning might be a little different. the numbers 41%. that was a -- only 15 reese -- 1500 research studies. -- participants. 36% -- 75% believe the government is keeping information about ufos from the public. so i don't know how these numbers work, but the phrasing of questions can bring out different things, you try to phrase the question different ways. but is not beyond what we have talked about today to think that in the first place, i don't think ufos exist but i definitely believe the federal government is covering up information about it. is the government covering up quest --?, i would say yes. 55% believe that men in black or other government agents

the reason it is structured that way is to separate those people -- if you are in southern baptist church of the nazarene faiths that have a strong component of the second coming of christ, like i was raised in, and other ones, there is a large number who think that will eventually happen. but this was to say in my lifetime. is this an event that i do think christ will appear in the next 40 years. in other words, my estate planning might be a little different. right? the number is 41%. it was a pew research of only 1,500 adults. those numbers are a little more fuzzy. 2012 nat geosurvey. 25% believe ufos exist but 79% believe the government's keeping information about ufos from the public. i don't know exactly how these numbers work. remember the phrasing of questions can always bring up different things. you try to phrase a question, people read it a different way. but it is not beyond what we have talked about today to think in the first place, i don't think ufos exist but i definitely believe the federal government's covering up information about it. because if if you ask me the questio

the vice president for communications, of the ethics and religious liberty commission of the southern baptistgnity revolution. writing, seeing people as god sees then, created in his image, means we will often have to refuse to prioritize one interest group above the other. it means we will have to stop compartmentalizing our views of human dignity. we need to start caring about dignity wherever it is undermined and assaulted. we must resist letting our politics shape our faith instead of our faith shaping our politics. for every argument we make online or in the office of a public official, there are hundreds of interactions in our daily lives that test whether we really think every person is made in god's image. human dignity is more than a platform, it's a way of life. thank you so much for being with us, pastor. this is such a timely book. and i've got to say twitter has been so instructive because through the years, even going back to 2009, i would have people who would say the most horrific things about me, or somebody else, and then you're like, who is this person? i'm just like -- the

i'm a southern baptist. i go to a nice church.e never discuss politics or partisan politics or campaign stuff in the church. we do discuss politically sensitive issues. an example would be abortion whi ch the catholic church is interested in. when it comes to campaign time, if churches from the pulpit are supporting candidates, whether it is democrat, independent or republican, i do not believe it has a thing to do with religion. i do not think it should be permitted from the pulpit. if churches are taking part in partisan politics, for one th ing it fractures their congregation. they should lose their tax-exempt status. i do not know if that is part of the definition of religious liberty or not but that is an opinion. host: what about this idea of a task force, religious liberty, when it comes to personal practices of religious belief? do you think that something is needed on that front? caller: that is a tough call. if this can be defined in so many ways. there are some religions out there, i mean, obviously that are subversive.