and michael edison hayden with the southern poverty law center.ng up, a new supreme court case threatens another body blow to our democracy. we will speak to the former law clerk for the retired supreme court justice stephen breyer. yes, we will speak with carolyn shapiro, professor. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break] amy: "house of the rising sun" by the animals. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the u.s. supreme court announced it will hear oral arguments this thursday october in a case that could be -- in october, the court will hear moore v. harper, a case that seeks to reinstate gerrymandered congressional maps that were struck down by north carolina's highest court. a ruling in favor of north carolina republicans could strip state courts of their power to strike down state laws, while expanding the power of gop-controlled state legislatures to control federal elections. legal arguments brought forward by plaintiffs in moore v. harper could drastically alter how congressional and presidential ele

i want to turn to the southern poverty law center. in 2017, you called for treating terrorist groups organizations that have been leveled as hate groups by the southern poverty law center. which, itself, is a corrupt slush fund for liberal causes with its own very troubled history of racist and sexist record. you said in that op-ed that we should pass new laws to label those groups as terrorists and, quote, disrupt them. one such group that the southern poverty law center has labeled as a hate group, which you therefore said you would treat as a terrorist group, is the family research council. you believe that the family research council as a hate group and should be treated as care terrorists. >> senator, i think in the article that you are referring to, i cited a number of hate groups, a number that the southern poverty law center said exist in ohio senator, i do not -- >> there are 33 of them. >> i am not a member of that group, and i am not associated with that group. but it would obviously be not for a private group to define when

that is why the southern poverty law center have filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of a veteran deniedder of her spouse. it seems unthinkable... tracey: a few months ago, i started looking into, okay, who could i go to? who could i reach out to? i did reach out to a private attorney who basically said... (laughs): "that's the law. there's nothing you can do about it." i said, "well, that's the wrong answer. (chuckling): so let me go somewhere else." reached out to a couple of veterans' service organizations, couple of other lgbt organizations, and i saw southern poverty law center. i saw they had an lgbt section. i said, "okay, let me call them." so, i called them, and that's what got the ball rolling. christine sun: tracey served our country with honor in two wars, operation enduring freedom and operation iraqi freedom. the v.a. has denied tracey and maggie important financial benefits, as well as the eventual right to be buried together in a national veterans' cemetery. ♪ tracey: when the case was actually put out in the media, and stuff like that, the trolls were just out there, jus

using extreme left wing groups, we just learned that are tieded to democrat party such as southern poverty law centeris come under financial and other scrutiny in present past to funnel to the committee. >> this group southern poverty law center smears christian organizations, traditional conservative groups, and labels them as hate groups among other things. meanwhile, meanwhile, there has not been one testimony in front of the public regarding this committee has received in second secret by a number of weapons. donald trump authorized the guardsman to protect the capitol building, he issued that authorize two days before january 6 it was turned down by nancy pelosi and by the mayor of dc, undermine the whole notion he was in charge of an insurrection. and learned as i interviews kash patel. that trump also authorized after the election in november, department of defense to prepare transition to a biden administration. you can challenge the election at the same time allow the government to go forward with a likely or possible transition. that is what donald trump was doing. at the same time biden's

joining me now as margaret wong, the presidency of the southern poverty law center which tracks extremistrovided testimony in research to the january six committee. thank you so much for joining us margaret. what is your reaction to the department of justice filing an explosives and planning for violence? this is something the far right wing far-right as always dismissed. but this revelation revelation is rather significant because it completely changes that false narrative? >> well, thanks for having me on, and i have to tell you that this is not a surprise to us. the oath keepers and the proud boys, both of who have been clearly associated with the events on january the 6th, both have a long history of using violence and the threat of violence to advance their political agendas. in this case, it's no surprise that the oath keepers are alleged to have had these weapons as well as these intentions to use the weapons to threaten those who were calling for a peaceful transfer of power on january 20th. >> one of the more explosive parts of the cassidy hutchinson interview was her talking abo

and mccartney works for the southern poverty law center, and it's really knows her stuff. so human cost a variety of things jobs, right? i mean often when something we're not taking mind out of infrastructure when something is outsourced, you know, whether it's custodians at a school or a library or something when they say they're going to save money as you know, daniela was referring to earlier is we always ask this question. what are you going to what are you going to what are you going to spend less on it's real stuff and it's very often. it's wages and working conditions. so there are reasons there has been research that have found that there are two trillion dollars of procurement in america by governments up and down. that's that's millions of people under who are working for government working for us, but not working for government at that scale you had you can have material and significant statistically significant effect on the on inequality in a very serious way. we're pushing wages down. so that's number one number two is you know the more we you know, everythin

. >> we have a guide for parents and caregivers and we are doing it with the southern poverty law centerat don't live with young people, coaches, mentors, youth mentors and other adults. there's always aunts and uncles and grandparents and so many people who can recognize warning signs if they know how to one of the things we learned about her parents and caregivers is testing it was 750 parents and it doesn't take long. it only takes seven minutes of reading our guide for parents to do better in a pre-and posttest to recognize warning size and know how to get more help and how to respond. we need more resources for parents and we need to get the word out that it's not that hard to equip yourself and know who to call. there are organizations like hope after hate. places like 1800 numbers to get additional help without necessarily going to law enforcement, which has very strict criteria for what they can do. >> maybe that underscores the obstacles. people don't know about these organizations they don't know to call. perhaps there has to be a better awareness, some kind of better marketing

of crossed hammers, logo of the hammer skins, a skinhead organization documented by the southern poverty law centery the german ss. they've got a lot of ways to show you they're nazis. we get it. you're nazis. >> so far we've had two protests outside the tattoo parlor. at the second protest things got pretty heated. there were a few moments that definitely could have escalated into violence. it was these guys that shut it down. >> wow. >> so much about what we're trying to do is build a coalition and inspire people to actually take action. so we need to recognize that everyone has different tactics. they're not all going to be our tactics, but we all need to link our arms and agree we have a common enemy. >> i have a question. you have a wedding ring. do you have any kids? >> i have a baby. >> how old is the baby? >> 14 months, just started walking. >> you're a mom, a new mom. married. have a job. and just looking at you, you don't look like a nazi fighter. if i was to read a book called "tacoma nazi fighter" i'd expect a grizzled muscled man or woman in fatigues. half a cigar. are you afraid? are

we know that based on the southern poverty law center numbers, their stats, white nationalist hate groupsw 55% in the four yearsis that trump e president, according to the splc. we know that since president obama, you noknow, was inaugurated, you had at least four minimum wage or heat groups that were formed, 39%ers, the oath keepers, the proud boys and the boogaloo boys. talk about the existnence of president barack obama and these groups. >> one mistake that we've made over and over again from the inception of the white power movement in the late 1970s is to put much more emphasis on the differences between these groups as viewing this as a proud group of people. i appreciate impulse to sort of sort these out and trace trajectories, certainly the election of our first black president was a huge factor in the forming of these groups as has been covid, as has been the george floyd protests and blm. all of this instability to what some of these folks think of as their traditional way of life has been anth enormous soapbox r the group, but the headline here is not only the ties between trum

it was a term coined by the southern poverty law center.s were graduating from high school, only knowing nine words about the civil rights movement. rosa parks, martin luther king, i have a dream, and that's it. but in a single decade, march was able to fix that problem, and now, we have the civil rights movement taught, not just in history class, and not just in social studies class, but in english classes, and literature classes. because as march book three was the first graphic novel to win a national award, and one more, literally awards from the american library succession than any other book in its history. and now, run winning and eisenhower award on friday night, it's continuing this tradition. but and part of the reason that they have made up all of these problems whether it's critical race theory or whatever they want to call it in education, it's because these books are working. they are reaching students. i remember talking to congressman lewis, after he saw the black lives matter lettering but painted in front of the white hous

that includes the southern poverty law center. really -- is that so bad? taken more than 10 months to go from the list to the hugs list. the white supremacist, clan, or , they put out all the hate that say that we don't advocate violence. i think you're creating a culture of violence. this is supposed to be a lead of just white folks and there is one good way to get there. these people believe that it involves guns and violence. >> i was violence, i was like, i will attack you and i am here to kill people. >> did you ever practice balance? >> every day. i was literally a wash in it. >> arnold michaelis is a former skinhead. he approaches the work that he does with the same vim, vinegar, and vinegar that he approached being a white supremacist with. as far as i'm concerned, that is exactly how it should be. >> he would get a fist off white kid, find out what is wrong in their life, blame it all on and black people and people -- everybody else. so they don't have to look inward and do the difficult work of straightening out their own life. a lot of these kid

i'm joined now by susan corke from the southern poverty law center, whose intelligence project providedd closely tracks the proud boys and oath keepers. so, we've heard direct evidence from a spokesperson for the oath keepers and a defendant who took part in the attack. do you think we now have a direct link between the tweets and the activity of the trump campaign and what happened onjanuary the 6th? and what happened on january the 6th? , , ., , ., and what happened on january the 6th?, and what happened on january the 6th? , , ,, ., 6th? yes. this was not surprising to southern poverty — 6th? yes. this was not surprising to southern poverty law— 6th? yes. this was not surprising to southern poverty law centre. - 6th? yes. this was not surprising to southern poverty law centre. this i 6th? yes. this was not surprising to j southern poverty law centre. this is something we have been tracking for quite a while. but we do feel that the hearing today provided the public with very clear links, showing that there were ties between trump and his close allies, staff in the white house and par