afghanistan. we haven't yet resolved that of longest and most expensive of the two wars in southwest asia we havecy. there is a moral challenge to support our allies in europe and the region in recognizing that just as the collapse of gadhafi's libya and unsecured reps from libya led to all sorts of problems in the region not least of which was mali the weapons in syria are a level that far goes beyond anything in libya. this really will have terrible regional consequences. >> given what the senator has just said, dad, before we move to guns, what do you think the best next step forward is with syria? >> first of all, i'm a little baffled by our recent decision to give money to the rebels but refuse to give them arms on the grounds we don't know who they are, they are not reliable. because if we give them money but not arms, they will use the money to buy arms. so what are we accomplishing if, we, in fact, don't know who is, so to speak, on our side. beyond that, i think frankly. i think the problem of syria is susceptible to an international resolution, provided we are able to engage both russia