almost all of the added agents were sent to the southwest border. 10,600 went agents to the southwest border and 1,400 of the border patrol and c.p.b. officers went to the northern border. there's a huge disparity here. we try to get into this at times but despite that the terrorist threat is greater at the northern border than it is at the southwest border. nonetheless we see this huge gap in terms of resources, the ones that began -- that were there before 2004 and the ones that have been added since. let me ask you why is this given what the findings are d.h.s. have been that the terrorist threat is greater at the northern border, the amount of trade is far greater, canada is our number one trading partner. that means the risk of that trade is greater because there's for trade. why is this huge disparity? why does it continue, why does it grow? >> senator, thank you. i will let the chief talk to the patrol borders agents in the past decade. speaking of the ports of entry, you're correct. the encounters with terrorist watches individuals are higher on the northern border than on the

guest: that is a very good example of a unique circumstances exist along the southwest border. defined the border region as a different region from anywhere in the country. these communities that are ands-national that believe to each other but for the fact is a geographical line, face a very unique challenges and unique circumstances. that these emphasize kinds of dilemmas are only going to be made worse if we are up to ourface immigration problems in a way that puts some more structure and order into it. once you have a more fetching immigration system, i think it is more possible for communities like yours to determine ways in which this works in a win-win way. , is: laredo, texas positioned here in the state. the borderut security and different strategies employed in these different sectors of texas, as you can see on your screen. chuck in nebraska, go ahead. inler: my biggest thing, laredo, you are paying property taxes. mexicans arethat coming up here, they want to improve their lives. allbiggest thing is, -- the meatpacking plants across this country are loaded with noth

is a huge gap in terms of the resources allocated to the northern border versus the southwest border.here is growth in the last 10 years in terms of the number of border patrol agents, which nearly doubled in the southwest area, which nearly doubled 10,000 to 21,000 in this concentrated on the southwest border, were almost all the the added agent were sent. for the added agent, 10,600 went to the southwest border, 1400 order patrol and cbp officers sent to the northern border. there's a huge disparity. we try to get into that with times despite the fact the terrorist threat is greater in the northern border than it is the southwest border. nonetheless, we see this huge gap in terms of resources. but the ones that began and repaired before 2004 and the ones at its. so let me ask you, why is this? given the finding that dhs has been the terrorist threat is greater on the northern border. the amount of trade is far greater. that means the risk of that trade is greater because by this huge disparity? ones that grow? >> i'll achieve feature speak to the border ports adventure in the failed

for example, we now have aerial coverage over the entire southwest border. we did not have that before. we can now take things to our forces on the ground. the technology part is absolutely critical. we have station more border patrol agents down at the border than ever before. to numbers have been driven 40 year lows, if you just look .t things like apprehensions we know we are achieving success there. our real measure is more qualitative. when you step back and think about the border, what you want is the ability to spot illegal traffic, particularly in the highly trafficked areas and then the ability to respond to what is seen and using that measure and the plans we have, confident that the border is as secure as it's ever been. >> but do you have -- >> but there's no one number that captures that. that is the problem if you're looking for just one number. host: rebecca tallent, the border's secure but no proof. guest: right, right. that is your sticking point, what is your border security matrix. how do you decide what border security means? does that mea

lori: the stats shows significant increases in the arrests of those attempting to cross the southwest borderpite the claims of common security secretary that the border is more secure than ever. fox news correspondent with our report. >> i can tell you that having worked at border for 20 years, it is more secure now than it has ever been. illegal apprehensions are at 40-year lows. >> not accurate. up 13% from to "lou dobbs tonight." >> trying to lead us to believe that this order is more secure than ever. there is no evidence that is true. statistics go up and down it seems to have it both ways. >> looking at the first six months of the fiscal year apprehensions increased by 27,000 says 2011. historically, that means more illegal immigrants are also eving the border patrol. in arizona and california, apprehensions are down. the texas. the arrests surged 52%. it turned the ball% in el paso and 22% in laredo. ignoring those numbers. >> all the different measures one looks at across the border. they are all trending in the right direction. >> border ages say word is spreading like wildfire. the

right now the border patrol has done an extensive study of where fencing make sense across the southwest border. there were 653 miles. we would go back and look at the kind of fencing is. he can do this for humanitarian purposes to ensure family unity. in what situations which you think about granting the waiver? caveat on myo have the answers. see that there would be considerations based on the aid of a conviction, whether the individual was the primary wage , ther for the family record sent a prior conviction, that kind of inclusive a valuation. >> it the aileron's other as to predicted thes., alien was authorized to work in the u.s., with those have been ?ollected dat they were not big of a rise, it was a significant restriction. the intent of the bill is to make sure any people moving to rpi is paying all taxes. if the language has to be clarified, that is what the committee process is for. >> thank you very much. i see my time is expired. thank you very much. >> thank you. a wanted to thank you very much. this is a broad reaching portion. i'm grateful for you doing your very best, particul

we had over a million people a year coming over, crossing that southwest border. as recently as 2004 and 2006 we were still seeing over a million people a year at least being ap rehedgedded along the border. -- ap rehedgedded along the border. -- what we've seen now is 2012 i think there's 364,000 people that were captured along the border, so that number has significantly decreased. there are people who are staying put more, that's definitely become a new trend in the last few years. >> host: smiley t22 on twitter, republicans just want to keep wages low for businesses. let's talk about some of the players that are involved in this debate. "the washington post" this morning, is mr. rubio on the fence? is he a tea party darling, or the architect of a historic immigration bill? he can't be both, is what they say. if gop stars decide once and for all to lead, that may be enough to sway fence-sitting republicans in the house. if they waver, in this attempt at immigration reform like those of past years is as good as dead. >> guest: i mean, senator rubio's in a very un

the budgets that went into building the border and building the southwest border capability started in 1994. , i think when you look back at the record, the official start. taking border enforcement seriously. intoutting a border effort place that has become, since, a bipartisan support it issue. the question of putting them into the border has been a continuous stream since 1994. requests and appropriations, when republicans and democrats led the white house and both republicans and democrats led either in the senate or house overall. this is an unbroken chain and continues to go. we see it in day to day. we will see when a bill is announced tomorrow or whenever, having continuing emphasis on border security and on spending on border security. weh the initial budget, worked on the border in ways that really try to put into place six basic principles for how it is a border enforcement ought to be done. there were changes from the way things had been done prior and what the thinking had been prior to that time. thell dwell a little bit on ones that have to do with mexico because of what

i'm increasingly concerned about the southwest border on the california side. right now we're seeing an increase of drug smuggling going around the border trying to get into california. we've seen some migrants coming that route. we haven't seen a commensurate rise on the gulf of mexico side between texas and mexico, but i think that's another natural place to start looking for. >> thank you very much. , let me o to senator ask a couple questions, admiral. i think you answered this a little bit in your opening and that was in some of the question you received about 100 million dollars for -- in the sandy component. and if i remember in the supplemental to mitigated expected gap in the polar satellite, so forth. how are you using that? has that become valuable in the sense of getting things on track? just give me a sense and then i have a couple more. >> the $111 million supplemental -- and let me express thanks to both chambers for that appropriation -- was focused on not presenting a gap in the satellite consellation but should there be one on identifying acti

>> the bill builds on the very large investment the country has already made in the southwest border and sustains that. and i can say, as a former governor and attorney general from that area, it's the sustainment part that is so very important. because that's where we've xperienced gaps in the past. >> the bill supports border security in a way that i suggested in my opening comments which is to say that the two major drivers of illegal migration across the southwest border are labor and the fact that it takes so long to get a legal visa. the bill deals with both of those problems in a way that gives us more measurements, more metrics, more identities, more things we can use from a law enforcement purpose. so it supports in that fashion the border security measures already in place. >> the bill prohibits officers from removing aliens who, quote-unquote, appear eligible for legalization. until a final decision has been made on the application. does this bill tie the handles of immigration agents in the same way that the 1986 amnesty prevented them from enforcing the immigration laws?

can be ground-based, air based, that may be more fitting to prevent illegal flows across the southwest border. we would not so designate a defense fund per se. >> you would like flexibility? >> we would like flexibility. >> i assume there is an annual maintenance cost. >> operation and maintenance costs. there are holes put in it. we're very good at building the infrastructure. we know what works better. it is not just building but maintaining. >> questions about people's life along the border. >> the last remaining mile of the fence has not been completed because it is tied up in property litigation. >> there was historic preservation for purposes of the defense construction. this bill also provides waiver authority. what goes into your thinking if you waive that authority? >> it is a careful process. we now have mou's the department of interior concerning the federal lands that are along the border that grant us access to build infrastructure and those sorts of things. some of the logistical problems have been worked out. when you build a fence that goes to the middle of a downtown area, th

number one, the bill builds on the very large investments they ave made on the southwest border and sustains that. it is the sustainment part that is so important. that is where we have experienced the gaps. the bill guarantees that we build on that. secondly, the bill actually upports border security that two major drivers of migration across the border are labor and the fact it takes so long to get a legal visa. the bill deals with both of those problems in a way that gives us more metrics. more things than we can use from a law enforcement purpose. it supports the border security measures already in place. >> the bill prohibits officers and renewing aliens to "appear eligible" for legalization until a final decision has been made. does this bill tie the hands of immigration agents in the same way the 1986 amnesty did? > i do not believe so. i think that what the bill does this say did there running and move it as quickly as possible. do the background checks. do the security checks. et the identification out. do not renew somebody who is not a priority individual. >> thank you for startin

intoudgets that went building the border and building the southwest border capability started in 1994. those budgets, i think when you look back at the record, the official start. taking border enforcement seriously. and putting a border effort into place that has become, since, a bipartisan support it issue. the question of putting them into the border has been a continuous stream since 1994. requests and appropriations, when republicans and democrats led the white house and both republicans and democrats led either in the senate or house overall. this is an unbroken chain and continues to go. we see it in day to day. we will see when a bill is announced tomorrow or whenever, having continuing emphasis on border security and on spending on border security. with the initial budget, we worked on the border in ways that really try to put into place six basic principles for how it is a border enforcement ought to be done. there were changes from the way things had been done prior and what the thinking had been prior to that time. i will dwell a little bit on the ones that have to do with

. >>> new bored stats showing a double digit surge in apprehensions along the southwest border. with the border story you're not hearing. >> yeah. well, eric, what we have been hearing for years this border is secure, and that is because whether arrest numbers are up or down we hear the same thing. in the last six months according to the administration's open met riecks, the border is less secure. looking the first six months, apprehensions included 20 -- 26,000 from 2011. in as and arizona the numbers are down but look at texas, where arrests are surging, up 53's in rio grand, and yesterday secretary janet napolitano did not acknowledge the increases. >> i can tell you that having worked that border for 20 years, it is more secure now than it has ever been. illegal apprehensions are at 40-year lows. if apprehensions are going up does that mean the border is more secure or if apprehensions are going down does that mean the border is more secure? you can't have it both ways. >> the surge is not coming from mexico but central america. that's because mexicans are entitled to a depo

won't consider immigration reform unless the first priority is a tough new plan on securing the southwest border. >> chip reid, thanks. cbs news political director john dickerson is with us. good morning. >> morning, charlie. >> rubio made seven television appearances. who is his audience? >> seven. that set a new record. i think there might have been closed-circuit tvs he was also on. his audience is mostly conservative. there are a lot of republicans who want to get comprehensive immigration forward because of this last election. they think it's the hurdle that has to disappear before they can make an outreach to hispanic voters, but there are a lot of conservatives who are very suspicious. and marco rubio is the bridge to get those conservatives to back this. he was basically trying to knock down some of their charges. he was saying that this plan for cotris not amnesty.he that's such a loaded word. and he was trying to defang that word and basically say no, it's going to be very hard for these 11 million to get citizenship. and so this isn't sort of a free ride for people who have broken the

a scant 44% of the southwest border is under operational control and only 15% is airtight.hat's not good enough, is it? >> it is not good enough. when janet napolitano testified, she couldn't give a metric of what she even considered to be success in a secure border. how is that possible? she's the secretary of homeland security and she doesn't even have a metric of what a safe border looks i'll tell what you one looks like. a safe border looks like when we have a comprehensive safe border. not 40%, not 60%, but 90% or more of a secure borrowed. that's when we're talking about solving a borrowed problem. but look, this is not going to be solved by just one issue. we have many issues, comprehensive immigration reform. here is the problem, we have the same problem with immigration as now we had with obamacare. you can't have a handful of people determining what the bill will be. nobody will read it. the democrats proposed a 4,000-page immigration bill. we're not going to get suckered into this again where nobody reads the bill or pelosi rule that you got to pass it so you fin

consider the challenge secures a nearly 2,000-mile southwest border with mexico.n gomez covers immigration for "usa today." first of all, border security, we could put a wall up on the entire boarder, but that is the predicate before a deal can be reached, that's the concession that both sides have agreed on, that the border has to be secured first. >> right. a lot of the concern about this bill is if you look back to 1986, the last time we had a last large-scale legalization of, they also promised securing the border. that obviously didn't happen. a lot of folks concerned about this bill feel the same thing is going to happen. that's one of the things they're trying to figure out. how many more resources we have to put down at the border. how can we assure the american people who have to buy into this program, that they can do it. >> there's a new "the washington post post"/abc poll, a brought support for a path to citizenship. democrats 73%, independents 58% action and republicans only 35%. that tells you the divide. exactly. that's -- >> we saw a lot of change

can see them and have visibility when they are traveling via air burke as we are seeing on the southwest border and up in canada, that's a real problem. when she says ping, against what? that's the key question. >> it must be when he boarded the plane using the passport. must be some manifest i would assume there's some database at that point because he didn't walk to russia. >> but senator graham is aptly pointing out, the story has really change the just over a 48 hour period. i don't think there's any clarity tonight as to what was quote, unquote, pinged because obviously something didn't work. something didn't end up being deciphered along the way. this person he have delinquent to russia for an extended peer of time and how does that match-up with what the russians supposedly toldnous my guess is we don't get many communications from the russians saying look out for this person. >> i assume if russia told us to lookout for this guy and the fbi went to talk to him, and he then boards the plane and pension and lets us know he's leaving the country and heading for russia, i would think we wou

. >> today in tucson she is talking about disrupting drug trafficking along the southwest border. ary napolitano has been pitching common sense immigration reform in both texas and arizona. and talking about the obama administration's efforts to secure the nation's borders. illegal operations 40 year lows. crime rates in border cities are at historic lees as well. so by all the different measures, one looks at along the border. they are all trending in the right direction. >> though some argue captures being done suggest the illegals are winning outsmarting the authorities. jon? >> jon: mike emanuel in washington. thanks. one of the teenagers charged in the murder of a 13 month old boy in a stroller learns today where he will spend his time until his day in court. and when that day in court might come. plus, internet search giant google taking on the fbi and taking an historic stand. in a case that could drastically affect your privacy online. that's coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] there are hybrids. ♪ then there are turbo hybrids. introducing the first hybrid you'll actually w

how far are we from that now on the southwest border? >> in some regions it is important to understand there is no one border. it is broken up into nine different sectors. in some it is being achieved today but in others it is not. three sectors are far from that number and that is what the number needs to come up to. as our plan outlines if in fact it fails to reach the metric the homeland security will lose control of the issue and it will be turned over to a border commission made up of local officials from the states most impacted. they will have money set aseed to solve it for those people themselves. we are confident it is achievable. also not just border security. have to think about e verify as part of the bill is a critical component as well as is the exit entry tracking system. 40% of illegal immigrants are people that came legally and overstayed. all three have to work together and all three have to happen. >> chris: go back to the border as an example. you say it is a trigger 90% apprehension rate has to be certified by the de

they can thatround-based, air based, may be more fitting to prevent illegal flows across the southwest borderould not so designate a defense fund per se. we would like flexibility. >> i assume there is an annual maintenance cost. >> operation and maintenance costs. put in it.oles we're very good at building the infrastructure. we know what works better. it is not just building but maintaining. people's lifebout along the border. >> the last remaining mile of the fence has not been completed because it is tied up in property litigation. historicwas preservation for purposes of the defense construction. this bill also provides waiver authority. what goes into your thinking if you wave that authority? >> it is a careful process. the department's of interior concerning the federal lands that are along the border that grant us access to build infrastructure and those sorts of things. some of the logistical problems have been worked out. when you build a fence that goes to the middle of a downtown area, there are lots of values to be considered. >> when you were here a couple of months ago, i expla

can be ground-based, air based, that may be more fitting to prevent illegal flows across the southwest borders an annual maintenance cost. >> operation and maintenance costs. there are holes put in it. we're very good at building the infrastructure. we know what works better. it is not just building but maintaining. >> questions about people's life along the border. >> the last remaining mile of the fence has not been completed because it is tied up in property litigation. >> there was historic preservation for purposes of the defense construction. this bill also provides waiver authority. what goes into your thinking if you wave that authority? >> it is a careful process. we now have mou's the department of interior concerning the federal lands that are along the border that buildus access to infrastructure and those sorts of things. area, there are lots of values to be considered. couple you were here a of months ago, i explained my concern about proposals where citizenship is always over the next mountain. i want the pathway to be clear. i want citizenship to be attainable. this legislatio

so what with are we have done is take the nine border patrol sectors along the southwest border and have constructed and this using the border patrol experts themselves, they know best what they need so develop nine different technology plans that particular to each area of the border. we're moving to match our technology requests to that of what we need. we have stopped building a one-size fits all integrated towers project along the entire border. we're going to use that in arizona but not along the entire expanse of the border. it turned out to be very expensive and not operational in some of the physical circumstances that we have. in exchange, moved to an off the shelf technologies, technologies that may have been used in theeteerns things. so technology is a forced multiplier. moving to immigration reform. the two main drivers are work and the other is we made it so difficult to immigrate legally -- use of our visa system that becomes an incentive to join your family across the border and the like. if we deal with the visa system then we can more carefully focus r resources at the

as the southwest border constraints and gets more secure, there's a tendency to squeeze something and i will find other direction to go in. i'm concerned about the southwest border, where there's an increase of drug smuggling going on the border, trying to get into california. the scene and some migrants going up to. the texas and mexico and other natural ways to look for. >> thank you very much. before i go to senator colin. i think you've answered this is that a lender opening and i was questioned or received about $100 million if i remember the supplemental command the. can you give me how you're using that end is that become valuable in the sense of keeping things on track? just give me a central cricket not have a couple more. >> the $111 million appropriated by the congress and let me express my thanks to both chambers for that appropriation was focused not on preventing a gap in the satellite constellation, but should there be one on identifying actions taken to mitigate the degradation forecast accuracy and reliability. we commissioned a study to reach far and wide into academ

. >> two major drivers across that southwest border are labor and the fact that it takes so long to getrter: she argues the bipartisan immigration bill proposed last week would help with the employment verification process and from her people to find work here. the entire senate has to consider the legislation. that's not expected until june. meanwhile the house of representatives are crafting their own immigration proposal. >>> a mississippi man accused of sending letters containing poison to president obama, a u.s. senator and a judge, he will be back in court for a bail hearing. lawyers for paul kevin curtis say he should be released because there's no physical evidence connecting him to the crime. investigators announced yesterday, they did not find ricin during a search of curtis's house, a search of the computers failed to turn up any evidence. but the fbi says it's still searching for an external hard drive. >>> right now, there's a safety hearing underway on the battery system alwaysed in boeing dreamliner jets. the ntsb wants to know out prob -- how problems with the batteries

months according to the administration's own metric they've used over the last five years the southwest borderactually less secure. in the last two years arrests actually increased by 27,000. that typically means that more illegal immigrants are getting over the border and more likely to get past the border patrol. let's steak texas where arrests in the last six months are up more than 50% in the rio grande valley. 27% in del rio. 27% in el paso. 22% laredo. yesterday in houston homeland security secretary janet napolitano ignored those numbers? by all the different measures one looks at along a border they are all trending in the right direction and strongly so. >> there is no statistic, metric or evidence that the border is more secure than ever. i went out there for a couple of days and found multiple spots where you can see trails of people coming in. they were still apprehending massive amounts of drugs out there. this is a very porous border. >> reporter: the surge is not coming from mexico but central america. that is because nonmexicans are entitled to a deportation hearing, which take

cover, and proven effective surveillance technologies along the highest trafficked areas of the southwest bordercongressional correspondent mike emanuel is tracking this live on the hill. mike, good morning to you. what has been her message so far? >> reporter: well, bill, secretary napolitano opened a bit talking about the boston attack a little over a week ago and she said that homeland security is committed to working with its partners to figure out what happened, exactly what steps can be taken to improve security and we'll draw lessons learned from the incident. she has spoken in favor of this legislation. the bipartisan gang of eight immigration reform plan. she says it will improve security. it will improve the legal immigration system and now you mentioned that the top republican on the committee, senator chuck grassley, who has been pretty tough about this immigration reform legislation, he is starting to question her now. we expect if there will be fireworks, somebody like grassley will be the person who will get into it with secretary napolitano, bill. bill: you heard a lot of rumblin

in the last six months, according to the administration's own metrics, the southwest border is actuallyth apprehensions up 13%. in the last two years, arrests actually increased 27,000 in the first six months. now, that typically means you have more illegal immigrants, aren't just crossing the border and getting caught, but others are escaping the border patrol. here in california the numbers are down. look at texas where arrests are surging, up 53% through the rio grand valley. and yet, yesterday in houston, secretary janet napolitano ignored those increases. >> i can tell you having worked that border for 20 years, it is more secure now than it has ever been. illegal ap helpingses are at 40-year lows. >> reporter: for years, secretary napolitano has tried to lead us to believe the border is more secure, and there is no evidence that that's true. statistics go up, go down and she seems to have it both ways. >> the surge is not coming from mexico, but central america, that's just non-mexicans are entitled to a deportation hearing that takes time. when we run out of beds like now, they'r

the bill set to what would superficially appear to be a worthy target of 90% rate along the southwest border. but based on our preliminary review, this 90% goal only applies to three out of the nind only two out of the five sectors in texas. , the border security provisions would necessarily mean border patrol will shift resources away in a preannounced fashion to most of the border sectors to reach the goals for only a few. we could only imagine what the transnational criminal organizations that move drugs, people, and contraband across our border will do in response. in texascurity matters and along the southwestern border, and the bill does not add up quickly -- adequately provide for it, and i hope my colleagues will work with me to help get it right. i think we can do it. as i said, the bill is comprehensive but it is not exhaustive. in other words, some important reformre omitted that i think need to be included. for example, the bill fails to address the critical need for improvement at our land-based ports of entry,, especially along the southwestern borde the vitality of these s of

tracking of visa overstays while without hurting kind of the travel economy coming in across the southwest bordere can have it all. i urge the senators to make sure there is funding for these things, not just writing authorizing laws to work well. we need funding for all the programs including drones. bill: that is good point. all this will cost money. especially during this time when the sequester is out there and everybody is focused on amount of debt we have at $17 trillion. if the drone system is not practical and a lot of people are putting their hopes on this system, if it is not practical what happens to border security? >> well again, it is practical in the sense it gives them a tool to look at where the crossers are coming in, to make sure people are funneled through places where a border patrol agents are. we have a lot more hard-working individuals out there in the field. it is part of the solution but it is not the only solution. i am reminding people immigration enforcement is not justae long the border. it has to happen at every work place and every city and every community around t

citizenship for 11 million unauthorized immigrants and it tightens security along the nation's southwest border. that is coming up in about five minutes. we will have a life or you hear on c-span2. the u.s. senate gavels in at 9:30 a.m. they will begin with an hour of morning business. senators will recess at 10:30 for an all senate briefing. when they return there will be more work on a bill allowing states to require out as the retailers to collect sales tax on items sold to the residents. harry reid is hoping to finish work on the bill before the senate starts a weeklong recess next week. a vote to end debates could happen tomorrow and less senators can agree to vote sooner. live coverage when they gaveled in at 30 a.m. eastern on c-span2. >> the dedication ceremony for the george bush presidential library and museum on the campus of southern methodist university happens this market president obama and the first lady will be there. president obama will join for former u.s. presidents, jimmy carter, george h.w. bush, bill clinton and george bush for the similar. all will be seated on state an

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to citizenship for 11 million authorized immigrants and tightened security along the nation's southwest border. hosted by the christian science monitor, it's about an hour. >> our guest this morning and non-partisan alphabetical order are senator john mccain and senator charles schumer. both gentlemen have been our guest in the past and we are delighted to welcome them back. senator mccain has long specialized in national security issues and is a member of the armed services and homeland security committees. he graduated from the naval academy and then served the nation in combat and captivity. he was looked at the house and 82 under the senate -- >> barely graduated. [laughter] >> senator schumer is vice chair of the democratic conference and chair of the senate democratic conference center. he graduated first in his class at james madison heights, went on to harvard college and harvard law and at age 23 he won a seat in the new york assembly, the youngest person to do that since teddy roosevelt. he was elected the house in 1980 -- >> [inaudible] >> yes, and in 98 elected to the senate. so mu

the southwest border is far from secure. over the texas and arizona borders we are seeing and huge surge in illegal crossings with the texas border patrol saying ways toking askt deal with the onslaught. is the issue appeared there's no way that illegal entrants who have never encountered our criminal system can be vetted as to what they say they are. with $10,000 to 20,000 foreign- born terrorists that several law-enforcement no reside in the u.s., that creates a serious concern for more terrorists using the compassion we have for the dreamers to embed here illegally using legalization in the built. there are problems with the border security traders as well. overall, the concept of a conference of southern border and strategy is useful, but since the moment security secretary is not really required to assure -- ensure border security, it does not help us assure our borders are more secure. the metric used in the bill to determine a 90% effectiveness rate depends on a 100% detection rate of apprehension and turn backs, which

the number one focus for all of us are the mexican cartels and what happened at our southwest border. that is our biggest threat because those organizations control the drugs that are on our streets. we work together in many weighed. the organized crime, drug enforcement task force program has brought all of us in law enforcement seven or eight of us agencies, together, and we jointly target the organizations that are having the biggest impact in the communities around the country. beyond that, we work together on task forces at the state and local level. we have over 2,000 task force officers working on dea task forces and we put dea agents on their task forces, and in many of these task forces you also have fbi, atf. we assist fbi with their violent crime initiatives, safe streets task force. we help atf with their series -- violent crime initiatives and we share the intelligence we having to do with gangs and violent traffickers with those task forces and with those agencies. we've gotten very smart, all of news law enforcement, with the dwindling budgets we have needed to find a b

order security matters in texas and along the southwest border's and the bill does not adequately provide for and i hope my colleagues will work with me to help get it right. i think we can do it. as i've said the bill is comprehensive but it is not exhaustive. in other words some important reforms were admitted that i think need to be included. for example the bill fails to address the needs for improvements in our land-based ports of entry especially along the southwestern border. the vitality of these land ports of entry are critical both in terms of security but also for the economic prosperity of legitimate trade and travel brought to our border communities and 6 million jobs in the united states. we must use this opportunity to provide meaningful infrastructure investment to the ports of entry in order to reduce wait times for legitimate trade and travel. i am also concerned the bill does not do enough department of homeland security the discretion to waive the bar for these pathways to citizenship so i look forward to working with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to fix tha

right now the border patrol has done an extensive study of where fencing make sense across the southwest border. there were 653 miles. we would go back and look at the kind of fencing is. he can do this for humanitarian purposes to ensure family unity. youhat situations which think about granting the waiver? myi'm going to caveat on answers. i could see that there would be considerations based on the aid of a conviction, whether the individual was the primary wage earner for the family, the record sent a prior conviction, that kind of inclusive a valuation. >> the alien was authorized to work in the u.s., with those have been collected? they were not big of a rise, it was a significant restriction. >> the intent of the bill is to make sure any people moving to rpi is paying all taxes. if the language has to be clarified, that is what the committee process is for. >> thank you very much. i see my time is expired. thank you very much. >> thank you. a wanted to thank you very much. this is a broad reaching portion. i'm grateful for you doing your very best, particulate at this time when we open th

i'm currently the chair of the southwest border coalition and that is a reputation from arizona, newer of occasions to come down here and discuss the issue. being that we live on the border we feel we have knowledge of that. the current bill has been passed in hard to keep trusting our federal government on these issues and it is really frustrating. we are public we are public servants, we have been elected to office to s the public and our concern is public safetyor our counties he was asking that we allow the federal government ha officers on the ground to protect our border. if we let them do jobs, we can secure the border and move forward with a problem at hand which is immigration reform. thank you very much. >> the next speaker, briscoe county, massachusetts. to thank you for your leadership on this issue, insisting law enforcement to be included in this policy that will become law at some point. 5 million people are waiting behind the borders to begin a pathway to citizenship. people since 1986 have disrespected the laws of the country. want ane that americans immigration poli

his third attempt, despite federal law enforcement reopeng the case. .hill probm is big the southwest border is far from secure. we are seeing a huge surge in illegal crossings with the texas border patrol saying is looking witnessing an increase in illegal crossings from august of this year to november. here is the issue. there is no way that illegal entrants who have never encountered our immigration our criminal system can be vetted as who they say they are. with up to 20,000 foreign-born terrorist known to reside in the u.s., it creates a serious concern for more terrorists to embed here illegally. there are problems with border security triggered as well. overall the concept of a comprehensive southern border strategy is really useful, but sends the homeland security secretary is not required to assure border security, it doesn't really help us ensure that our borders are indeed more secure. demetric used in the bill to determine the 90% effectiveness rate depends on a 100% detection rate, which is not even close to being able to occur today. if there is not 100% detection, than the 9%

ability to issue demand letters collecting information on purchasers of certain rifles along the southwest border. the way to target gun violence, then, is to direct efforts against criminals, not law-abiding citizens. so the amendment increases the maximum penalty from ten years to 15 years for transferring a firearm to a prohibited user as well as a penalty for illegal possessing a firearm in the first place. it creates a 15-year maximum sentence for transferring a firearm to someone knowing that it would be used for a crime of violence, drug trafficking crime, foreign narcotics king opinion crime, -- kingpin crime or even terrorism. contrary to what the majority would have the american people believe, mass shootings are not only about guns and mental illness. they're also about what has happened to us as an entire american society. so the amendment then authorizes a study by the national institute of justice, including the national academy of sciences, on the causes of mass shootings. there are other proposals on that subject before the senate, but they're careful not to look at the entire pro

i am currently the chair of the southwest border sheriff's coalition, a represeion the shares from california, arizona, new mexico, and texas. we have offered our services on a number of occasions to come down here and discuss this issue being that we live on the border and deal with these issues every day, we feel like we have knowledge of that. with the current bill that has to keepsed, it is hard trusting in our federal government on these issues, and really frustrating. we are public servants. we have been elected to office to serve the public and our concern a public safety -- is concern a public safety for our cities, counties, and country. i know some of the federal officers have spoken from i.c.e., asking we be allowed to do our jobs, and i ask that we allow the federal government officers on the ground to protect our borders. if we let them do their jobs with all laws already in place, i think we can secure this border and move ahead with the problem at hand, which is immigration reform. i agree there are problems there, but we have to deal with it in that order. thank you very much.

citizenship 4,011,000,000 unauthorized immigrants and tightened security along the nation's southwest borderi will make a couple of lines on the immigration bill. i guess being the number one reason that we are here i want to salute john mccain, who's done just an amazing job of leadership that wouldn't have happened without him. he stepped right at the plant early on. one other point not related to immigration, but harry reid has this idea of having a joint caucus where john would tell what happens to him during the vietnam war but it's never been talked about before. .. it was an amazing thing to me. gives you a lot of faith in our bill and there are many words to describe it, but one word i think is balanced. every time i'm asked a tough question on the bill there is such balance in it is not that hard to answer, so it is a very fine product i think that and i'm optimistic it will pass. i won't get into the details. i'm sure you will ask about it. the one other point i would make, there is lot of talk about how did boston affect our bill? some of the facts come out in the last day show ou

southwest. it's along the border with burma. it's supposed to be one of the most beautiful areas of the country. i haven't seen it and i'm really excited to see you there. >> good. so am i. >> and we will be able to escape bird flu because it supposedly hasn't reached there yet. >> that is what i was going to ask you. thank you for that, eunice. we'll catch you a little later. >> i know. i think i am going to try and follow suit in a couple of weeks. >>> let's get more from the analysis of what's happening with the economy. jing joins us now from beijing. a lot of people saying these chinese figures are continue to go disappointment. is it fundamentally call the economy into question? >> well, you know, in the first quarter, gdp groeth was disappointing. most people were forecasting 8%. if you look at the components of growth on many measures, quite a few of the components were disappointing, as well. industrial production, consumption, retail sales, or even numbers such as power generation and freight volume were below expectat