matthew spalding: let's back up and work through the book. they flight 93 election, it was an essay was turned into a book with discipline out more of an extensive work to think through some of the underlying problems that we face. you open this book with the extended essay if you will. from a chapter about california i'm from california. you spent time in california. but you . that california is a study of america's possible future. so backing away from the election you see a larger trend going on here. tell us more about that. michael anton: the schwarzenegger, the governor he became governors we call an effort and less than two years trying to close republican conservative that was defeated in every respect. he never formally switch parties but effectively was democratic. in the congressional delegation was like 45 - seven are overwhelmingly democratic. the hunt one-party government at the state level the city level . much every county level of the large population. there were some red counties but those red counties the right people. ther

let's turn out to general spalding for your remarks. >> thank you bill. so it's an interesting thing that michael pillsbury talks about. his book was the first one i read when i got to the pentagon in 2014 and what i would tell people is that just go read the concluding chapter and you get an understanding of a synopsis of what he was trying to say and essentially it was that we had bent over backwards to help the chinese communist party grow into the power that it already is. when i got to the pentagon in 2014 i was very much, what i would say a panda hugger. and in fact, michael pillsbury taught me how to be what he would now say a superhot. but i don't sell myself to be hawkish. i really focus on defending the american people, the american way of life. the constitution and in fact you look at in the current national security strategy in addition to being clear, concise and comprehensive it is about how we turnthings around . and while it's been noted and lauded it hasn't been widely understood and my book still war is about the background and context b

them come from these law firms according to "politico," jones day, consovay mccarthy and king and spaldingw you're participating in something indefensible. what you are doing is bad and wrong. it's that simple. if you were helping donald trump endanger american democracy, you are working against your country. and remember it is not just the lawyers. it is the political hacks installed at the agencies and the white house staffers who coraled all the interns to waive and cheer as trump headed to a debate where he suggested he would reject any election result that doesn't keep him in the office. some of the people in the republican party are true believers. they're down with the maga mission like steven miller, right? but i think a lot of them have stories they tell themselves about why what they're doing is justified. anyone understands that it is wrong. and these people do have a choice. i mean, one of the most prominent republican election lawyers in the country, a bush v gore guy made clear he wouldn't be a part of this. he called on republicans to stop calling elections rigged and fraudu