folk with powerful lobbyists and lawyers and accountant they get away with all this stuff, it's the spall sized businesses that are getting caught between the cross hairs here. >> even more to the point, david, is the fact that it's up to the president to decide who gets a pass and who doesn't. when you have a lawless president who has nothing but contempt for the constitution, you're going to get an abuse of power whether you shut down the fidc, you're still going to have other agencies that are open. he wields his power. these people can't fight the government in court like rich points out. they don't have the money. >> bruce, doesn't that bother you? journalists are supposed to take care of those who don't have power. >> well, certainly a lobbyists bug me but we need some kind of safeguards for the people who have been vikt highsed by his exorbitant -- you've read stories of 500% interest rates from these payday lenders. there need to be some safeguards. i'm not exactly sure what it is but by need to have some safeguards for these people. >> emac. >> listen, separate from all that, the