no longer can receive email from that ip address but spamhaus knows a lot of hurt and spamhaus does not only list that single and be addressed if you do not believe disconnect this customer and are for breach of contract ok and they list you or entire network a right ok fine but let's not get too complicated with details but what's happened now is this back between us led to a massive global internet slowdown affecting millions of people organizations and businesses is that fair that that action should be taken dragging in the rest of the world as it were. well basically just cloud flare putting itself in the middle class where to go on a customer that was under attack in an attempt to make good p.r. for themselves. it's going to backfire. because of the murders by the. look of the murder so. what's going to happen now five national cyber police forces are involved in this attack is somebody going to be held a count could somebody go to prison over this because somebody be fined is this going to be resolved. people to do the attacks or any country you were doing it he does or there

this is actually just a fight among two companies one geneva based spamhaus which is a nonprofit but has bases all over the world they actually provide security services to keep bad things from going through the internet that the other side we have cyber bunker a company a dutch company who is very open about being able to do whatever they want on the internet they can hold us lots of material and they don't like being told what they can and can't do on line and what has erupted is a battle on the web that has in some instances actually crippled internet traffic internationally i think we're seeing something that's a little childish it's between two groups who just don't don't quite get along what's happening as a result of this is the whole internet is slowing down and so it could have some pretty dangerous repercussions it's a pattern for an entire week now and is you know under investigation and as we saw earlier when we were talking to cyber bunker it seems like that that group isn't exactly ready to just sit back and go ahead and throw in the towel here. new video agency ruptly

blacklist the host is allegedly struck with a hacker attack of unprecedented scale according to spamhaus the assault was so powerful it slowed internet access worldwide new video agency ruptly helped us get in touch with companies is the attack in spokesman and he says the scale of the strike is massively exaggerated by cloud flare a company that promotes internet security. the whole internet is a little program the only thing that they don't count are some issues of the moment you're going to change work or where it's basically all of that blood flair stuff could not handle the attack on spamhaus and they tried to make it seem like the entire momentum of the exchange of them going into another exchange went down because of that but this is not the case goes deep into the graphic they are the result of gondor over them all and then the. graphics software that makes them grow off of basically zero zero zero as a straight line because it grew. down soft enough and sought a security expert andy who also when i spoke to him in the early he said side the bunkum may have ended up as collateral

a war appears to be waging across the internet it began when the anti spam group called spamhaus put the web hosting company side the bunker on its blacklist the host is allegedly struck back with an accurate attack of unprecedented scale according to spamhaus the assault was so powerful it slowed internet access worldwide on a video agency ruptly helped to skate in touch with spent. the attackers spokesman and he says the scale of the strike is massively exaggerated by cloud flare that's a company that promotes internet security. the whole if. they don't come to some issues that will mean that the. well i'll be all of that. they try to make it seem like the woman in them and the exchange of them going into another exchange went on because of that this is not the case though. they are the result of a small and. that makes them off basically zero zero zero as a straight line. down toss them off for more on the current attack inside the wolf as a whole let's join don holden who's the director of security for such an all board network's cyber security company that the people from cloud

this is actually just a fight among two companies one guest geneva based spamhaus which is a nonprofit but has bases all over the world they actually provide security services to keep bad things from going through the internet than the other side we have cyber bunker a company a dutch company who is very open about being able to do whatever they want on the internet they can host lots of material and they don't like being told what they can and can't do online and what has erupted is a battle on the web that has in some instances actually crippled internet traffic internationally we spoke to someone from from cyber bunker who you know defended it and said it was a stance that was existing. and to be. effect so they are the central we're going to say which were the job into position where they can just go to the website and it would show up and do it on a regular basis if people do not comply it could grow up to be a demand they just list young guy or internet provider if to which all the girls start to blend of that going towards an e-mail and i think we're seeing something that's a li

this is actually just a fight among two companies one geneva based spamhaus which is a nonprofit but has bases all over the world they actually provide security services to keep bad things from going through the internet they actually protect one point four billion e-mail accounts across the entire world than the other side we have cyber bunker a company a dutch company who is very open about being able to do whatever they want on the internet they can host lots of material and they don't like being told what they can and can't do online and what has erupted is a battle on the web that has in some instances actually crippled internet traffic internationally i know earlier you guys actually spoke to someone from from cyber bunker who you know didn't go ahead and actually credit himself with that with this attack but kind of defended it and said it was a stance that was existing so that they can go up against this big international nonprofit who so they claim can actually control what goes on the web. and should be either effect ok or. we're going to say which were the job into positio

hours a day a war appears to be waging across the internet it began when the anti spam group called spamhaus put the web hosting company cyber bunker on its blacklist the host has allegedly struck back with a hacker attack of unprecedented scale according to spamhaus the assault was so powerful it slowed internet access world wide video agency ruptly helped us get in touch with. the attackers spokesman and he says the scale of the strike is massively exaggerated by cloud flare and that's a company that promotes internet security. the whole event is a little thing that they're going to cause some issues that will mean that the. well basically all of that. try to make it seem like the woman in the exchange of the woman going into another exchange went down because of that this is not the case though. they are the result of a law and then. that makes them grow off basically zero zero zero as a straight line because it grew in the ground soft enough. down holden who's the director of security research at all but network cyber security company says it's still hard to draw a line between morally q

cyber bunker is a web hosting service and they were black listed by a spamhaus because spamhaus saids they were hosting were sending too much of this stuff out. who cares? nobody cares. two companies are having a fight here. as long as it stays there, nobody cares. you have one company over here suffering because they've been black listed by this company. they struck back electronically, pouring data in on that company trying to cripple its computers or so it appears. nobody cares. but here is why they care. they have so many clients out there and so many people are connected and the way this is going on, there is this fear that it is indeed slowing down business in many places. maybe only by a little bit. but when you're talking about billions and billions of transactions, every second that is lost starts adding up and adding up. that's why some people are calling this the nuclear option out there. they're saying that even though this may seem like something that ought to be a bit battle it is turning into something big and has the potential to be very big, jake. >> right now, tom,

. -- spamhaus. the number volumes hitting the companies. of it completely overleading and sat lating the internet and thousands of thousands of difficult attackers coming from different locations all at once flooding your entire internet. this is high scale magnitude attack happening right now. adam: quickly, spamhaus is a firm that essentially keeps spam e-mail from winding up in personal e-mail. is that accurate? >> that's correct, yes. adam: do we know who is doing the attack? something the crew and i seem to be concerned about is that it is a simple way to launch an attack like this. i thought these things were very complicated. >> not at all. the actual attackers themselves appear to be multiple fronts. it is retaliation for initially what we call blacklisting or denying people from being able to send e-mail addresses, for example. known spammers that go after companies that try to get them to click on links or funnel information or steal intellectual property or steal financial information. these companies are, these, hackers are now,

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against spam on the internet but i'm drawing a lot i'm on telly show where you can draw the line spamhaus provides a service which dos blacklist demands a lot of people sometimes they get it wrong and sometimes they do blacklist people or maybe shouldn't be blacklisted however i think they do do a good job anybody who's had to manage a mail service in the last ten years will tell you that the kind of blacklist especially well until it's stuff is a good thing it's reduced the amount of spam administrates have to do with what uses how. while some question and debate the morality of hacktivism others seem less concerned about the privacy of internet users saudi arabia ones to and twitter anonymity where the government plans to link social media users to their personal information so well twitter stand out for their middle east leaders have your say on the eve of comment at our website r.t. dot com. another click away online for you a healthy diet they need further away for some of their gains now as recent bill's been partly written by a billion dollar corporation that could benefit directly

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run by volunteer groups, like this one spamhaus which tracks the worst offenders on the internet. they send you the most junk e-mail, most come ones for shady businesses and tells the rest of the internet, look, don't pay attention to those guys, don't accept traffic fro them. so basically when spamhaus tells the rest of the internet not to pay attention to someone, they don't. so they got attacked for that. >> i can't think of a reason for these junk e-maim senders, nobody likes them in your inbox. but it is a free country here and people have the right to free speech and if someone wants to send me an e-mail, i suppose they have the right. >> they have the right to send it, but it doesn't mean the rest of the internet has the right to accept it. they can send all they want, it doesn't mean you have to take it. >> noah shactman, thank you for making things clear for us this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >>> the streak is over. chicago bulls beat miami, snapping the 27-game winning streak. heat fell six games short of the all-time nba mark. the heat, when

spamhaus found itself at the business end of a colossal and specialized distributed denial of service or d=d=o=s attack this morning. the scale of the attack is at up to three hundred gigabits per second - many times the size of average attack. the attack, has been clogging essential internet infrastructure. which is why it's causing internet services and users across the world to experience shutdowns or slowdowns. >> project shield is coming up in my tech report [ man ] we have a go for auto sequence start. t-minus 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... ignition. [ male announcer ] launch your internet experience on at&t's newly expanded advanced digital network and connect more wi-fi-enabled devices at home. [ female announcer ] call to get u-verse high speed internet starting at $14.95 a month -- a guaranteed price for 12 months. or ask how to get your choice of a kindle fire hd, sonos play:3 or xbox 360 free with other qualifying internet offers. [ male announcer ] and get more speed for wi-fi gaming, more reliability than ever and more connectivity between devices. [ female announcer ] so call to get

sp sp spamhaus is a web hosting service and they black listed all of the cyber bunkers.oo many people sending out this. that is what started this war between the two companies. i don't want to get into the details of who's right or wrong, because frankly i think there's too much we don't know about the whole fight. what we do know is this, as they have waged this war against each other it's expanded to the point that many people are worried a lot of companies are involved who shouldn't be involved. wolf? ? tell our viewers why we should care about what's going on between these two countries in europe. >> well, these two companies, the reason you should care is the very thing you said at the beginning, if it only involved cyber bunker over here and spam house over there, it would be one thing. imagine this to be the internet. and everyone who's connected to it. the problem is, as they have waged war against each other, it spilled over, so that many more people are beginning to see these expects of slower internet access, or perhaps having problems of not being able to get