graham spanier was seen as an ideal university president.this happen on your watch and you don't take appropriate steps to speak to those things, proactively, then changes have to be made. so spanier was out. and i think the same thing has happened with ammons. and if these moves are made more often, i think presidents will be more aggressive in speaking to issues like hazing at famu. >> what do you think is at the core of this kind of hazing? i don't think a lot of people think about a band as a place where there's hazing. but there are sub-groups within this band at florida a&m. there's a group from georgia, which apparently robert champion was part of. and there are all these different sub-groups, i guess, have their own kind of codes of discipline. what gets to the core of this, in your opinion? >> the drive of students to belong. and that's why arguments that are made by folk who say, look, people who consent to this are the folks who really have to stop and the practice will go away. they're absolutely wrong. you cannot put the entire

unfortunately for spain they seem to be precisely the kind of people who should be staying very well educated spanier say under the age of forty or thirty five or so people who speak maybe two or three languages they might have a master's degree or even a doctorate and those kind of people don't see a future for themselves in spain as and what about it naturally if there are no jobs in spain people have to go elsewhere that europe latin america in fact this iteration in spain seems to be so desperate that even those who immigrated here several years ago like me gillon jurists i know also packing their bags and heading back home. a catch twenty two is that spanish citizens also cannot find a job so they get the preference to say nothing of the immigrant markets but i mean if many years we had a positive migration flow that is more people are coming in now it's negative each family may. their own reasons for leaving but i believe the economic crisis which is the main reason for. the or recent general elections saw the demise of the leftist socialist party who made way for the right wing peoples party b

>> hear what the candidates are saying from the campaign trail from the newly designed spanier website from campaign 2012. >> in my view, it's time to get serious about our challenges and i won't go through all of them. the biggest one is the budget and spending. >> if investment is not landing in your marketplace, then it's landing somewhere else. capital is a coward you can argue. it will flee to wherever it is in the marketplace. >> i'm not an modern, it's an interesting concept, the idea of having a consumption-based tax as opposed to an income-based tax. it's an interesting theory. it makes a lot of sense. to go through that debate right now and have a debate based on that tax, we need to do something now. >> read the latest comments from candidates and political reporters and league to spanier's media partners in the early primary and caucus states at our website. >> the senate commerce committee took up two nominations for commissioners on the federal communications commission. if confirmed, they will replace former commissioner meredith at well baker who left the f.c.c. in may

the university officially dismissing paterno today along with penn state president graham spanier, the announcing they were let go almost a month ago in the wake of the sandusky sex abuse scandal. >>> good news on the job front the unemployment rate fell from 8.6%, down from 9%, unemployment at its lowest rate in almost three years. >>> a 17-year-old girl was flagged as a security risk by the tsa and missed her flight at the norfolk virginia airport because she was carrying a purse with a gun design on it, that's right, a design. the tsa says replica weapons including toy guns look similar to the real thing in x-ray machines. >>> and larry king says he wants to be frozen when he dies. in a new cnn special, king hoebhoebs hosts a celebrity dinner party. when the topic comes up conan o'brien can't get over it. take a look at it. >> i want to be frozen on the hope that they'll find whatever i died of and bring me back. >> you would like to be frozen? this is news to me. >> the only hedging of a bet. >> i want to make sure we stick with the headline, you wish to be frozen, your head. >> wo

there's been talk about jerry sandusky and joe paterno, but in academic circles, there's talk of graham spanier was seen as an ideal university president, but when things like this happen on your watch and you don't take appropriate actions, change needs to be made and i think the same will happen with ammons. i think if these moves are made more often, i think presidents will be more act a aggressive in terms of speaking against hazing at famu. >> what do you think is at the core of this kind of hazing? i don't think a lot of people think about a band as being a place for hazing, but there's sub groups within this band at florida a&m. there's a group from georgia, which apparently robert champion was part of, and all these different save groups, i guess, have their own kind of codes of discipline. what gets to the core of this, in your opinion? >> the drive of students to belong, and that's why arguments that are made by folk who say, look, people who consent to this are the folks who really have to stop and the practice will go away. they're absolutely wrong. you cannot put the entire onus on

enough to think for a minute that tim curley, joe paterno and gary shult and for that matter graham spanierersity president were told by mike mcqueary that he observed jerry sandusky having anal sex with a 10-year-old looking kid at a shower room in penn state on penn state property and their response was simply to tell jerry sandusky that, don't go in the shower any more with kids, i suggest you dial 1-800-reality because that makes absolutely no sense. >> it turns out the phone number he gave was actually a phone sex line of some sort, probably not the greatest line for him to be using at this point. but are you surprised of the degree to which sandusky and his attorney are speaking out? >> i really am. this attorney has had an unorthodox way of defending jerry sandusky from the very beginning. the approach is very nontraditional. he's allowed jerry sandusky to be interviewed and he's making these football analogies when he's speaking. i'm not surprised but it's really shocking that this is the tack they're taking. i'm also offended that he's put forth this defense of these boys getting t

enough to think for a minute that tim curley, joe paterno and gary schultz and for that matter graham spanierresident, were told by mike mcqueary that he observed jerry sandusky having anal sex with a 10-year-old-looking kid in a shower room at penn state or penn state property, and her response was simply to tell sandusky, don't go in the shower room anymore with kids, i suggest you dial 1-800-reality because that makes absolutely no sense. >> it turns out the phone number he gave is a phone sex line of some sort. >> that's right. >> probably not the gritteeates line for him to be using at this point. are you surprised to the degree to which sandusky and his attorney are speaking out? >> i really am. this attorney has had a sort of unorthodox way of representing him from the beginning. it's nontraditional. he's allowed sandusky to be interviewed and he's making all of these football analogies when he's speaking, so i'm not surprised, but it's really shocking in many respects that this is the tactic they're taking. i'm also very offended that he's put forth this defense of these boys getting

that poll asked about the firing of graham spanier and 74% were in favor of that and 65% thought thattball has too much of an influence on the penn state campus. that was a little different a month ago. it was a month ago day november 9th that street in front of me was full of students and community folks rioting because of the firing of joe paterno. but after a month, the evidence that's come out, tempers are different now and people are saying, maybe it wasn't such a bad idea. >> my, how things have changed. thank you very much, beth karas. we'll count on you for more reporting on this. >>> just ten minutes away from the opening bell on wall street. we will see how the markets react to the economic news out of europe. >>> plus strong words for the secretary of state. why russian leader vladimir putin is lashing out at secretary of state hillary clinton. i'm not crazy about these light fixtures. kitchen's too small. what's next? 607 franklin st. ♪ sea bass... ♪ ooohhh! ♪ i like it. yeah, i love the kitchen. [ male announcer ] the epa-estimated 42 mpg highway chevy cruze eco. from loo

tim curley, paterno, and graham spanier never went to the police. >> can i ask you -- this is a man thate on him? >> i think that readers and viewers should check out our website. >> and they will. but do they find him to be very charismatic? is there a delusional factor? >> he's clearly a man under siege. he talked about the fact that he used to be a guy that everybody wanted to know and that he really is now sort of hung customered down in his house. he really just has his kids his wife and his dogs to talk to. he was animated when he was talking about his relationships with kids. you know, less animated and i don't want to talk about the charges facing him and interestingly, you know, he was very loyal still to coach paterno. and very upset, talked about -- very upset that he got fired as a result of this whole thing. >> it's an extraordinary interview and story. jo becker, many thanks for coming in from the "new york times." >> thank. >> you can see the full interview at ny times.com. >>> president obama's re-election prospects look shaky but may not be as difficult as it may appear.