he will keep his speakership. what's 50, 50 according to the smart money in this town is whether or not the vote for speaker will be forced on to a second ballot which hasn't happened i think since 19 it 3. if you happen way back in history in the 1800s they would actually have hundreds of ballots that would take like two months to process. we haven't had a second ballot on the speaker vote since 1923. there is really nobody openly contesting boehner for the speakership, but the fact that there is smart money in this town that says it could even go to a second ballot is evidence of just how difficult his speakership has been for him. >> bill: rosen, can i speak candidly to you? >> no one cares if it's a second vote. >> they barely care that boehner is the speaker. they barely care about that only about 30% of americans even know he is a speaker. so you care and you pinheads who run around d.c. second vote. evidence might have -- nobody cares. so we are going to put it in that boehner is going to be the new speaker

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there has not been a second vote for the speakership since 1923.ut there have been some comments from some conservative house republicans, some tea party members about boehner's handling of the fiscal cliff negotiations with the president, about his handling of in this vote on the hurricane sandy relief bill. a few republicans actually coming out and saying they might not vote for john boehner as speaker. not vote for nancy pelosi, but they might abstain. and we've heard some conservative tea party groups actually calling for john boehner to step down. so with 233 republicans, boehner can afford to lose just 17 of them on this vote, and, you know, we can tell you that there are a lot more than 17 who opposed his plan b proposal two weeks ago that would have raised taxes on millionaires. he had to pull that after 40 or 50 anti-tax conservatives opposed that. on his way into the chamber, you're right, he was asked by our colleague chad if he had any consterration about the vote for the speakership today. he said, no. but his deputy, kevin mccarthy, t

so far hit enough votes to keep the speakership. somebody has to get the clear majority of 217 votes out of the 433 members voting and present today. melissa: that's me ask you, he needs an absolute majority, he can afford 17 votes to go to somebody else, beyond that it goes to a second ballot, right? what does that mean? >> him as a second ballot since 1923, i believe so it is very rare, but it can happen. when asked if he was confident john boehner would get reelected, he said it is always a lot of surprises on the floor of the house, it is always exciting. never say never, but he does need to get 217 to avoid a second ballot, and on the second ballot who knows what could happen. melissa: you can vote for kim kardashian if he wanted to make a statement. it means something different and they just vote present, right? what does that mean? >> if they vote present, that doesn't count toward the 217, the has to be 217, that is not a vote for john boehner. it subtracts from the number he needs. melissa: peter barnes, thank you so much.

couldn't he lose his speakership by doing that? >> he is not going to lose his speakership this term by doing it. the vote comes up on january 3rd, which is a thursday. he'll be re-elected to speaker. but what ryan got to was this really interesting sort of tug and pull on -- within the republican conference right now. there is this effort to be as conservative as possible on every single possible vote. and even the guys who are going to vote for the compromise package and try to get a deal done when the vote comes up today, if they have opportunities to vote on amendments that make things more conservative, they're going to take that opportunity, which means that this thing, there is a real risk of this bill being kicked back into the senate and us having to go through this whole thing once again. so that is sort of tug and pull between the conservative faction here not only in the house of representatives but also in sort of the interest group community that spends so much money and pays so much attention to republican primaries

>> i don't know that his speakership is in trouble. during a year and a half ago during the debt ceiling debate where house majority leader eric cantor acted up and acted as spokesman for the farther right wing of the caucus, but i think here there's not a lot of suggestions that his speakership could go down but i think it is important for john boehner to reestablish the idea he is somewhat in control of his membership and that they trust him and that he is the leader here. he sort of allowed the senate to take over here really sort of gave up in some ways a few days ago and said, hey. you guys come up with something and bring it back to us. so i think there is a lot of pressure and there is going to be a lot of calling, cajoling, and making sure that this thing is going to get the votes, at least enough of a combination of democrat and republican votes later today. >> jill, this has been billed as a compromise. what did each side get and have to give with this bill and can either side claim victory here? >> well, i think both sides c

the bet is that he will retain his speakership. he just walked by.e have any consternation about this vote and he said absolutely not. he has confidence. there are some up on capitol hill that think there is a slight chance that they could get to a second ballot. that has not happened in decades. most bet that speaker boehner will have everyone in line and he will retain his speakership. connell: what is really going on up there? northeast republicans angry about the hurricane sandy bill. we knew the other day, it was really a mess getting the fiscal cliff legislation to the floor. all of this talk about the rivalry between the majority speaker and the leader. are there not enough votes to defeat him so people are afraid to go against him? >> you know, he actually has a decent amount of support. looking back at how they handled a pretty bad hand, even the most conservative members said, listen, he gave us a shout. they went into that gop conference meeting and said here is what we have. the senate bill came over. if you want to amend it and send it b

he did not come into the speakership in this term with any sort of mandate. quite the opposite. his own caucus has deep divisions between a northeastern block, which is concerned not just about sandy but, as peter king just mentioned this morning, things such as the assault weapons ban. republicans want to work with the obama administration on a number of issues. on the other side you have the y faction, which is much larger. gridlock and actual chaos, they believe is their best route to stay in power. what john boehner is doing, he had a near fiasco yesterday. for a few minutes it appeared that the hard right within the caucus, a very extreme caucus, might garner enough votes to prevent him from winning the speakership on the first ballot. that would not have knocked him out as speaker, there would have been a second vote. but he only won the speakership by two votes more than the majority in the house, which is quite remarkable. that is an important reminder of how narrowly divided the house of representatives now is. we covered elections horribly in america. we tend to presum

we asked kelly about john boehner's speakership. the vote is tomorrow for him to be speaker of the 113th congress. it doesn't seem like there's anything emerging. i'm a little baffled, not because i think he should be ousted, but you've seen this level of resistance, where he was cut out of the final negotiations. >> i think it's like kelly said, they're happy with the fight that he waged and they're okay allowing him to see the light at the end of the tunnel, be able to make the call whenever he wants to decide to lead and end his career, whenever that will be. and i think people like cantor and mccarthy, who are of that young gun, younger group, it's not a split with boehner, it's a split on how they decided to vote, but they know where the political clout is and that's with those conservatives. john boehner doesn't necessarily need to be there. he's someone who would be more of a pragmatist and would get something done. he is a pragmatist, but not able to have the flexibility and the white house knew that. >> let's talk about tha

it's a less forceful speakership than we've seen from some speakerships in the past but john boehner having come through the ranks sees that as a virtue and i think over time the caucus will respect that. he's going to lose some members here and there, they're going to have some battles but i think there's great respect for him to try to lead all of the disparate factions in the republican party in the house right now and he has done that and he's getting the respect of people like peter king. >> going forward, and you mentioned these three big things, not to mention gun control and immigration that will be on the agenda, there's a suggestion certainly by some democrats that now speaker boehner is going to be more marginalized. the reason is they believe they have a path by going first to the senate, which is not the tradition, go to the senate, get them to pass bills first and then you put the pressure on the thousands vote. do you see that happening or is it just wishful thinking because this particular vote worked that way? >> wishful thinking. john boehner can always fall back on

he has a speakership vote coming up this week. that is interesting angle that will play out over capitol hill. but you still have a deal negotiated by the senate minority leader. the vice president has overwhelming support in the u.s. senate. a number of democrats, and enough republicans that wasn't a total embarrassment for the house speaker. not near a majority, but still a good chunk. diane: we are now expecting president obama to be speaking. that is what we are hearing from the white house. what do you think we will hear from the president? rich: the president will be very happy that congress did this. i wouldn't be surprised if the president made note that he has been urging congress to act and that they should not have taken this long to act, but this is the way it happened and he will have to sign the bill as he signaled that he would. it was worked out with a the signoff from the white house when it finally reached the agreement yesterday. questioning whether the president will mention the next round of this, questioning

so such a high-profile vote, there is speculation that this means his speakership.tarting to your from republicans earlier today that they respected the speaker's efforts on all of this and even if he does bring this up for a vote, which he has done and even if it does pass the house with the bulk of democrats and they lose most of the republicans on this, then still there would be support. there is also a conference meeting yesterday, a standing ovation for the house speaker. i think a lot of folks in the press like to report out there could be trouble, how the speakership could be problematic depending on how this vote goes, you never know. there does seem to be significant support and also questions of who would take over. with house majority leader want to be speaker? especially when he would step immediately into a debt ceiling fight in the government's spending fight if he assumes that rule? diane: and looking at the situation, the ante has been dealt, a lot of tea party politicians that came into congress, they're obviously very far on the conservative spectr

i don't anticipate him losing his speakership. >> many have said he has an unenviable job. that's for sure. mr. boehner is reported live signaling in this upcoming congress he's done negotiating with the president. that's not an encouraging start. do you think we'll have more gridlock than the last four years? >> the republicans want to do nothing if not change the subject. they mismanaged the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. while they were close to agreeing to a grand bargain, what resulted was putting revenue on the table that republicans, now crying foul about. speaker boehner's claim is about as important as what lucky tie he's going to wear tomorrow. it doesn't matter. what matters is, you know, how they're going to negotiate moving forward and how, you know, democrats and republicans are going to take responsibility for making some tough choices. >> okay. ron, the markets roundly cheered this latest fiscal cliff deal but it was your magazine about why they are united in the hatred of this cliff deal. here's what tom cole said on msnbc last hour. >> in the next 90

>> reporter: well, me personally, martin, i have the benefit of not running for the speakership of thenited states -- >> that's not an answer, luke. would you expect to be re-elected or fired? >> reporter: well, i would argue that the approval rating of congress is a bipartisan approval rating, but i think what you're seeing here today that happened in washington, d.c., martin, is quite interesting. speaker boehner got very close to having to be elected speaker on a second ballot. since 1913 when the house grew to 435 members, that's only happened once, which was in 1923. we looked like -- it looked like that was going to happen today until of all people michele bachmann, who had missed the first roll call and a woman by the name of marsha blackburn who had a bloody nose came back into the chamber and were able to cast votes in favor of speaker boehner saving him from the embarrassment of being the second person since 1913 to go a second ballot. make no mistakes about it, a lot of disenfranchised and angry conservative members of the house republican conference spoke out today. they ma

it took nine ballots in three days for him to be reelected to the speakership for a third term.ank you to frank thorpe for digging that one up. could he become a household name for the day? we'll be right back. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. i'm here to unleash my inner cowboy... instead i got heartburn. [ horse neighs ] hold up partner. prilosec isn't for fast relief. try alka-seltzer. kills heartburn fast. yeehaw! >>> let's bring back the gaggle. we have a new congress coming in. 2013 brings the 113th congress. were the mayans -- >> we get to get rid of the old congress so let's take our chances. >> we have a whole bunch of new faces. everybody knows elizabeth warren is the new face to watch, the soon to be senior senator out of massachusetts. all of these senior sena

house speaker john boehner barely held off a possible gop revolt over his speakership. republicans voted against boehner for speaker and five others abstained or voted present. washington editor for the national review robert costa was in the room. i think i had it wrong, nine nays, voted against him and one present. how tense, how close, what happened? >> larry, it was really tense. i was up there on the press gallery. i felt like i was a spectator at the world series watching over all this chaos and tension. if he lost 17 republican votes that means he would have went to a second ballot. he avoided that. he safely won the gavel. but at the same time, nine different republicans, tea party conservatives voted for different people. that's a threat to boehner that shows boehner does not have full control of his caucus. >> well, what was the revolt, why did they do that, bob? >> larry, the conservative flank is so frustrated. they just had this entire fiscal cliff deal. they had this hurricane sandy relief mess, they're frustrated with baoehner. they tried to take a stand,

but i think having 12 votes, essentially 12 votes on the floor against -- against his speakership being re-elected with only 220 votes does not send a message of strength going into these next rounds. gwen: and mike, when all is said and done -- nice pen drop there! -- when all is said and didn't you president was still able to wrangle his basics. he wanted to be able to raise taxes on the wealthy, however you define wealthy, and he got that. >> certainly the white house and other democrats look at this and say this is a water shed moment. we got the democrats to break the cardinal, visceral value they have, raising taxes. the only problem is on new year's day taxes were already high. but hell hath no fury like a speaker scorned. he is going to have to make up with his base, with conservatives, with his core on this next go-around in two months. this triple jeopardy with the debt ceiling vote and the continuing resolution and the sequestration that they punted two months down the road, and republicans are already making noises, threats even that the government is going to close. two sen

will john boehner's path to the speakership be smooth? we'll discuss that everybody on the "morning joe" team when we come back here, we're going to huddle around the water cool we are lewis. do you know lewis? >> oh, god. are you letting him do that? >> there is a parent who teaches a child a harsh lesson about ebay accounts and credit cards. i have no idea what that means. all right. when we come back, the transition very smooth as always between "way too early" and "morning joe" will commence and continue. l matters? maybe you want to incorporate a business. or protect your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like the help of an attorney. at legalzoom a legal plan attorney is available in most states with every personalized document to answer questions. get started at legalzoom.com today. and now you're protected. get started at legalzoom.com today. i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get inform

into conflicts with its neighbors or would he back down and risk losing face among his supporters speakership fact is hoping for the latter that netanyahu will listen to world opinion and reach a compromise with the palestinians he knows all too well what the current cycle of violence can bring speakers daughter was killed in a suicide bombing seventeen years ago and. we don't have unfortunately in the center and the left. leader who is significantly charismatic to lead this country and give its people hope when the left is also divided but i do think netanyahu will find a way to compromise because of world pressure but that compromise won't come easy enough to be bennett solution to the israeli palestinian conflict is to annex most of the west bank while allowing palestinians limited so flew in the wrist and while that might not seem a plausible idea to most of the international community it's exactly what his constituency wants to hear a fact in a time yahoo is acutely aware of policy r.t. tel aviv. well is or is it actually is only two days away and our team will be following it closely pr

republicans, and a lot of sensitive, you know, that happens to john boehner too many times his speakership could be in trouble. so my guess is it will come from the senate, but you've got zoe meeting quietly with a republican from florida talking about details they can bring back to their colleagues. i think actually this is one of these issues where people in both houses are going to want to take credit for being outfront on this issue. i think you're going to see a spate of bills coming forward. >> scott, this is a hot issue. lots of legislators as you mentioned are jumping on the bandwag bandwagon. the lawmakers you talked to in washington, how hopeful are they there will be a bipartisan deal reached this time around? immigration has been attempted before and it's failed. >> i think there is a lot of hope. as i said, the stars kind of are aligning on this, not only do you have republicans willing to come to the table and talk seriously about a major reform of immigration law, you've also got traditionally republican-leaning groups like agriculture. i talked to somebody from the western

>> well, the speaker does come up for a vote tomorrow about whether he gets to keep his speakership.re were certainly some conservatives who were frustrated about the fact that they had to take this vote on the bush tax cuts but most don't seem to be blaming him. they knew the tax cuts were expiring, they knew that the political reality was that they weren't going to be able to keep all of them so most of them don't seem to be holding the speaker accountable. >> mason: nancy cordes at the capitol. thanks, nancy. with the budget deal done president obama resume it had vacation he'd been forced to cut short. he returned early today to hawaii to rejoin his family. the white house has not said when the president will sign the budget bill, only that it will be done "in a timely fashion." and the president will find that some pork has found its into the bill. wyatt andrews now with that. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff law passed so quickly many in congress never realized it was full of special interest tax breaks, one of which allows auto racetrack owners to speed up their tax deductions. a

been struck in the senate, there are a lot of unhappy conservatives, a very tense vote for his speakership and the run-up to that finally electing him until he's got a dynamic within his own caucus where they don't want to see taxes and they want to see more cuts and there's starting to be people whistering about shutting down the government if they don't see cuts in programs. so governing the house of representatives is pruing to be a difficult and complicated task for him in order to get anything out of his own caucus or through the whole chamber. host: the last question, mr. beccera is on ways and means and there's people who want big tax reform because of this deal that were struck they weren't happy with it. mr. beccera mentioned he wasn't happy with the $450,000 threshhold. so where do you see the tax debate going this year? >> maybe nowhere. if they can't agree on something as basic as extending the bush tax cuts for quote/unquote the middle class he's right that $450,000 is not middle class in most people's minds. but if they can't agree on that , they're going to have a tough toug

. >> the first order of business today for the house of representatives will be a vote for the speakership. ohio republican speaker boehner is expected to sale through the election and retain his position. however, today's election comes amid several set backs for speaker boehner. northeast republicans are upset over postponing of the vote for super storm sandy relief and conservative republicans are upset how the fiscal cliff deal turned out. >> the fiscal cliff deal is now officially signed into law and president obama did that using a pen that copies his signature. president obama is back in hawaii on vacation with the first family. the house of representatives pass add fiscal cliff deal on tuesday night after the senate approved it. >> for the first time in two days a "spare the air" alert is nut in effect so you can legally use your fireplace. however, the bay area air quality management district is asking you still avoid doing so. officials say pollution levels in the air could build to unhealthy levels today if enough people decide to light a fire. that could force a "spare the air

because it's a stiletto and the right brainers kidney is this going to be the end of the boehner speakership absolutely not i think there's been some rumors circulating but i i think that whole hold strong i've heard it's possible the burner will just say no i'm not going to run that to save face that is what i think that some people i would call that wishful thinking imagine early on that's not going to happen boehner is going to get reelected the speaker very easily tomorrow even if you don't want him to be speaker i think to ignore the reality of that situation while he gets makes you just makes you look out of touch and he got he got peter king on board by scheduling a vote for sandy relief so i mean and i know that they haven't always agreed to him in cantor and i do think that the situation you know it got better and it clearly got worse after today because even chris christie said that cantor personally told them that he disagreed with banner about not voting for it the other night you know cantor also didn't vote for the fiscal cliff legislation so i think going in the hundred thirte

but facing no real threat to hold on to the speakership in the next congress. again the next congress beginning today at noon eastern, house here on c-span, the senate on c-span2. once the leadership election is done, the house will take up the rules, an hour of debate on that a i among the rules for the upcoming session of the house it would provide greater authority for the speaker and chairman of the committee of the whole to reduce voting times. it would also authorize the house to continue its legal efforts to defend the defense of marriage act and that's because the supreme court has agreed to take up the consideration of the defense of marriage act, part of the consideration of a couple of cases on the same sex marriage. the rules in the house as proposed if they're passed, would authorize that the house on friday, tomorrow, consider legislation under suspension of the rules to boost the borrowing authority for the national flood insurance program in response to the damage done in new jersey and new york by superstorm sandy. that'll be in the rule if pas

>>gregg: could this impact boehner's chances of holding on to the speakership tomorrow?rter: there is that vote tomorrow. it is not likely but not impossible. he will have to get a clear majority of all of those who do vote. it is not just the republicans. it is the entire house. clearly he will neat the vast majority of g.o.p. votes. new york republican who you saw in the interim may abstain altogether and another new york republican, peter kings says republicans will have to work hard to get his vote on anything right now. while both the boehner and can for camps are shooting down talks of a divide, many are speculate there is trouble in the house of representatives g.o.p. leadership ranks. that vote could tell us something tomorrow. >>gregg: thank you, shannon. congress did reach a deal to keep our nation from plummeting off the so-called fiscal cliff so we are safe for now. at least sort of. last night, the house aeveryone proofed the not bill which presents major tax cuts from expiring on income below $400,000 for individuals and $450 for couples and delays the crip

clearly put in the speakership in jeopar. all they're looking for is a horse. pro the have the votes to dump him. that is a terrible place to begin. you still have not got 1 penny from the deficit. gerri: you like this deal. i have to tell you, a lot of your friends on the left don't. what you think it's good? >> that might be one of the reasons. the left is not love it. when you look at his to the first time in 20 years we raised taxes, cut the deficit, and the doe was not even close. unlike 20 years ago it passed by one vote in the house and al gore had to pass the vote in the senate. the political landscape has shifted out of the feed of the republicans, and they start to em to know that. they still can't find their footing on any of it, and the warning is afternoon, the first shot across the bal, especially to the repblican house not to play games with this next set of talks because that is whre the rest of the jobs have to get done. step two ofhree steps. the third will be the hardest. >> it is not want to negotiate on that. back to the deficit for a secon

the house and a lot of people have said that his speakership could be threatened by this. so far, we see no sign of that. but, you know, he's in a position now where he is going to have to allow this -- probably going to have to allow this bill to hit the floor and the house and not going to get a majority of republican support. that is something that no speaker of the house of representatives, whether republican or democrat, does with any kind of frequency at all. it's considered almost a heresy. so, you know, everybody sort of recognizes the box that john boehner is in, but it's not going to really do him any good in terms of support among conservatives. there are some winners and losers here. but this fight is not over, maura. that's the bottom line. >> you mentioned vice president biden swooping in at the last minute like superman and being able to secure this deal and that's certainly the perception a lot of people had. we heard mitch mcconnell speaking on the floor and he said this shouldn't have taken this long. certainly, there have been discussions about this for

first, yes or no does boehner retain the speakership do you believe. >> reporter: yes, the going betis that he retains the speaker shift. it could get diceee. there are reportedly some 25 members who have reservations about speaker boehner, only 17 of them would be needed to vote against him to make it to a second ballot, which hasn't happened in decades, and that could cause real problems. but the going bet is that he will have the votes when all comes around at about 1:00, and we should know that he's retained the speakership at about 1:45 this afternoon. bill: let's go on that assumption and address the report that came out today. you know, john boehner has tried to strike this relationship with president obama for years now, in fits and starts, it comes and it goes. but now this report that he says he's done going one-on-one with the president. what are you hearing about this? what do you make a of it? >> reporter: i think it's a signal to his casin saudi to sacaucus that this was a one-time deal. after all the healthcare become and forth and the uproar, you'll remember nancy pel

. >> house speaker, john boehner, who won re-election for the speakership this week, told his conference that he planned to use the debt limit as leverage to cut spending. in the republican address, john boehner was echoed. >> we are crushing today's small businesses, and the next generation of americans under a mountain of debt. if the fight sounds fap, it is. during the summer of 2011, the country had its credit down graded after the president and lawmakers had a bruising fight over the debt limit. on friday, cnbc's jim cramer told andrea mitchell, there could be a big battle. >> a lot of companies will report in the next few weeks and they will say, we are more cloudy because we are not sure what cuts are coming. >> reporter: there are two other budget deadlines looming coming in the up coming months that could cloud immigration reform, pressing for stiffer gun control laws and new energy policies. >> the state of the yien will be critical here. >> joe lockhart served under bill clinton, and he said to achieve his policy goals he has to build public support, a strategy he had more bef

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after she lost the speakership and one of the dwindling number of democrats decided to run against her, i mean, she made it very clear quickly that she had the votes on him and a lot of people who, had she not moved quickly, who might have supported schuler realized it was not a good idea to be in a losing cause, but be out there. she's a formidable person. also, she's the face of the democratic house, and democrats at large, and that's not been a good thing. after the democrats lost in 2010, there's a meeting that i, a democratic caucus that pelosi called closed door, none of the staffers were present, and pelosi said what i would like is just for the people who are defeated, the election, i'd like this to be their opportunity to vent what they want to vent, and, in fact, the line was long. democrats lost, and some said they lost because the obamacare and glad to fall on their speer for that. others blamed no one, you know, it was just the nature of an unpopular president who dragged them down. the particular so-called democrats in the moderate or swing districts say speaker pelosi, y

. >> john boehner said his speakership was weak but getting this floor vote on the floor toe doing. >he does still have power. he's been weakened, the republican caucus is in disarray in many senses. we talked to house members and house offices yesterday disenchanted by boehner's lack of leadership but nobody's challenging him for the speakership. cantor doesn't want that job. who wants to be that guy who every single night is just taking income from every direction? >> that's the word on the street but speaking of losers, the house republicans' reputation is the problem child in washington has been solidified by this whole last-minute scramble and that is a serious problem. they've always been the least popular cohort in washington, never popular to begin with but seen in their own conference as the problem. >> as winners the democratic party. what was interesting to me is they behaved with real discipline, they behaved like real adults and they actually behaved like the party which never happens. >> speaking of acting like an adult can we go on the colorful four-letter word, this ha

keep in mind if his speakership were to be challenged would require a vote not just of the republican conference but the entire house of representatives. jenna: big question whether or not a change in leadership would elicit different results that is conversation yet to be had in the coming weeks. >> so you try. jenna: doug, thank you very much. jon: so the white house and congress knew of the self-imposed deadline for more than 17 months and they still managed to blow past it. finally approving a tax deal last night that doesn't seriously address the spending cuts or the nation's ballooning deficit. so who wins and who loses with this deal? talk about it with jonah gold perg, editor-at-large at "the national review" and a fox news contributor. before we get to the who wins and who loses, let's restate some of the details here, jonah. we have got $4 added to the nation's debt over the next decade. payroll taxes are up. sequestration is still looming two months down the road. we have the $620 billion in increased spending and oh, yes, $12 billion in spending cuts. that's what they sign

it's one reason why we're going to be looking at this vote on the speakership tomorrow very carefully to see how many republicans boehner loses, and he may lose a few more after the sandy debacle. >> i want to go to you, chairman steele, on this question, because the republican party does seem to be disarray, clearly, at its highest level. >> seems to be? >> right. you have a "the wall street journal" editorial in which the advice to the republican party was as follows. house republicans should pursue their own agenda and let mr. obama and senate democrats pursue theirs. mr. obama has his tax triumph, let it be his last. if the "the wall street journal" editorial board is telling republicans hunker down even more, does this bode well for your party? >> no. no, it would kind of bifurcate all over the place. norm is right, we saw that played out on the floor, the split in leadership on the vote, you have members who are frustrated by being led down one rabbit hole, only to wind up in another. i think what "the wall street journal" is saying, though, and there is some truth to this, you