. >> now in the digital age and the speedup of media in part and the change of the nature of politics, it's come to be viewed, you got your moment, you got your window. that's what happened with barack obama. he caught the moment. that's the new template and that's probably what chris christie is out there in new jersey thinking about. >> the opposite for hillary clinton. she went through the exact same thing in 2008, 2003. everyone was begging her to run. she said, i'll wait until 2008. she didn't get the shot in 2008. she's not going to get the shot in 2012. her time may be gone. her best moment wasted. christie is thinking about that as the negative example. with obama on the opposite side. >> cuomo had that moment in 1992. i think there was a lot of presumption at the time, i know in democratic circles, hey, george h.w. bush is going it be re-elected. this is not a one to waste it on, the '92 campaign. he may have calculated he could run in '96 but that was gone. >> that kind of thinking is over, too, about the power of incumbency. in our toxic atmosphere at the time when the publ

start-ups or later stage kind of growth companies, speedups. a lot of the financial sector has more much a trading mentality. they might own a stock f 10 seconds. we want people that n something for ten years. >> rose: some people say that is a real problem because people can engage in financial transactions and financial engineering, and because they can make so much money, that the best and brightest from the best schools, wherever they are, not just ivy league, state schools, all kinds of schools are going to wall street rather than creating these companies. >> well, there has been some of that, no question. er the last decade. i think that's shifting a little bit. i think people-- . >> rose: because of a collapse or reevaluation. >> some of it is financial sector, is not quite as strong as it was say five years ago, still quite strong. partly becse people recognize they do want to make stuff. they do want to build something and do want to be part of one of these growth companies. and somethin like sve jo who when he passed away, the fact th

trying to do by the prayer tradition problem -- process and reviewing the cases on the docket, a speedup -- is speedup having the case is heard. -- cases heard. >> do we have people in limbo there indefinitely? >> well, there are people in limbo in the immigration system generally. the fact of there are people in limbo is one of the reasons why we hope at some point in time the congress could take up immigration reform. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, scott. the gentleman from north carolina. >> thank you, mr. chairman. madam secretary, good to have you on the hill. do you agree with president obama's statement that removal numbers are deceptive, and do you know what he meant by that? i think he might have been re--- referring to voluntary returns. >> what i think he was referring if i recall the context, representative, was that overall removal numbers are up. we removed 3 and 97,000 people last year, more than ever before, but he was explaining you also have to look at what was in that number, and he was referring to the effected we greatly increased the number of criminal al