the right lane is closed on speer from auraria and speer off of i-25. >> busy early morning it seems like. >> thank you, amelia. up a lost money. john stumpf is for fitting $41 million in stock -- forfeiting 41 $41 million in stock and other awards. customers were charged extra fees for accounts opened without their permission. wells fargo agreed to pay $185 million to settle the accusations and hundreds of employees were fired. >>> if you want to protect your googling celebrities or at least avoid googling some of them anyway. intel security released its list as it does every year of the most dangerous celebrities to search online. at the top of the list comedian amy schumer followed by justin beiber and nbc's carson daly. searches for those names will most likely take to you sites this infected by viruses and lw i feel like kardashian would be one. >> they get a lot of searches. that is where the phishing people are going. >>> beware. >>> it is a vacation exaggeration that went too far. we will tell you why one >>> a 24-year-old marlins player had a baby on the way and a bright fut

the program may expand to speer park. >>> let this video be a reminder to brush up on driving laws as school buses and about. >>> avoiding turbulence. there's an app for that. >>> mix of sun and clouds. better chance for storms in town this afternoon compared to yesterday. highs in the 80s and it's drier this weekend. the average age of a homeless person is 9 years old. mon the streets with education. charles what's up man? -whoa! how can we help? -ah man! is that a basketball player? yes! -wow! my heart's about to jump out my chest man. charles you ought to be proud man. i'm just extremely grateful they were here giving them some encouragement- that's something that these kids are going to remember for a lifetime. did you see his big old feet? look. week. did i mention i'm -- >> wait, wait, the bus? wet conditions. vail, splash back that way. aww? heading out to dia, that's okay. u( v?ns-cv&? v5b the rest of the ride, including to the west, looks pretty nice. road closures ?7&ee tonight. >> trying to figure out why ]7rjl f it happened yesterday at the ta<9mejvrgy?kw3the launch pad o

replacing with park space would create places for people, not just cars, there is a possibility removing speer could help traffic. it cuts off neighborhoods, there is a lot of dead end streets, it is hard to get one side to the other, if we rebuild the street grid we would of 13 intersections, right here in the heart of the city. the idea is not just to remove cars and remove the street and make it more difficult to get one place to another t could be a place for a transit line, cherry creek to downtown. removing it won't happen any time soon but in the fuchwer driverless cars reducing traffic and transit is more widespread i think there could be a opportunity to make it a park space. >> thinking big. get to the chopper. somebody use that terrible line? they are installing lines on the western slope. this is xcel's bet that the need for power will increase, they are installing lines between rifle and parachute, there aren't usable roads and that project should be wrapped up in november . >>> we will talk about brandon marshal, not the protest, stay with us. we are talking the fine he got hit w

i-25 southbound between park and speer we're seeing slowdowns. traffic there about 20 miles per allow a couple of extra minutes. and i-225 southbound merging into 25, a couple of slowdowns, also expect about a 2-minute delay. tonight we'll be seeing closing at the arapahoe onramp to i-25. that will be closed from friday night heading into monday morning, so use alternate routes. >>> thank you. a denver man says he was beaten by denver police and the fbi and now he is suing denver wrongfully arrested for two bank robberies after his ex- wife identified him in a picture. he said she did that because they're in a custody dispute. he now says he is homeless and unable to see his kids or get a >> i want my life back. i mean, what they've done to me is literally taken my life and it's like they threw me away. >> talley's lawyer says the police really though client robbed the two banks, despite the fact the dna evidence could never connect his client to a crime scene. denver police have not commented on this. >>> we know how a 3 3-year-old boy got his h

southbound speak speer, the right lane is closed at auraria. big equipment on scene. auraria and speer, anticipate those delays. >>> christopher gebers will find out whether he's headed to prison for killing a colorado cadet and killing a trooper. tarhonda thomas is live in boulder county. the jury is expected to return a verdict today? >> reporter: it would not be a surprise if they did return that verdict today because they deliberated for three hours yesterday. they will be back at 9:00 to continue deliberations today. so it is very possible that we could see a verdict today. and this of boulder county has been watching since may of 2015 when this whole thing unfolded. that is when state patrol trooper cadet taylor thyfault lost his life. he was investigating an accident with trooper clinton rushing when both of them were hit by a car. behind the wheel of that car, police say, was 28-year-old christopher gebers. they say he was high. that he was on meth. he was intending to go sell drugs and he was running away from another trooper who was in that freeware tried to

at the sites with the most crashes, of the 4 intersections with red light cameras, only 1, 8th and speer boulevard is in the top 10. the other 3 intersections don't even crack the top 25. >> we would agree with you that, and that is part of the new contract is we would like to be able to use that technology where it is needed best. >> we know these, when they put the 4 highest accident intersection s, not by a long shot. >> reporter: denver city councilman, flin, supports them in general but won't vote yes until looking into yellow light times longer. >> 20-30,000 people are getting tickets they don't need to get. >> reporter: tickets range from $40 to $75. actually, much lower than the $300 fine if a cop catches you. >> our purpose isn't to try to get a fine. though, that photo enforcement makes at least some money. so far this year the city has taken in more than half a million in fines, more than $7 million since 2008. for next, this is whitney wild. >> we expect a decision from city council by the end of the month and will keep you updated. >>> our next team to woke up to e maims fro

>>reporter: officers surround a suicidal party near speer and broadway, we're not showing the man. police say having mental health expert show up with first responders saves lives. >>we have seen on two occasions someone talked off of a roof. >>reporter: dpd's director of crisis services says working with mental health experts break an old cycle. repeat. they engage in conduct, officer conducts, arrest, jail, charges dismissed. now we have a model that never introduces the jail or the criminal justice system as a necessary component. >>we want to talk to them as people and have them here that they are being validated. >>reporter: chris richardson is a mental health expert. he said instead of jail they link them up with services, whether substance abuse, probation or medicaid. eventually the program should reduce the number of inmates dealing with mental health issues, some of which have lead to confrontations. this man, michael marshall, died as a result of one of those confrontations. >>it is often said that the biggest mental health institution in america is the county jail. the

. >>> nose of us who need speers the most, don't. a new study found that one in four adults over 50 are not women, hispanics, blacks, and those with chronic diseases are less likely to be active. exercise is linking to longer life and lower risk of heart disease and certain cancers. >>> now a sight to see if florida, all of these people working together to rescue as many as six manatees that have been trap inside a pond for more than a week. massive animals able to get in the ponds due to high water it took the strength of more than a dozen people to hoist one manatee out of the water. >> wow. >> that is teamwork. that is hard work. >> no kidding. and some amazing work. people are so good. i love seeing stories like that. >> those animals are huge. >> they really are. unbelievable. and mother nature could produce something that could pick up animals that weigh a ton and put them into a small pond. >> so many in the pond. >> what's coming our way? extreme. it's a beautiful blue skies today, similar forecast for friday and gets a littl

one of the dogs almost di ramirez after he saw him dealing drugs near 14th and speer. they say he threw the drugs over the fence during the chase. he has not been charged yet. mactaggart and levi shirley who died in in afghanistan, their bodies should be back here this morning. >> reporter: later on this morning the bodies of those two men, the freedom fighters in syria, are expected to arrive here and handed over to their families this morning. they were part of this group called ypg, the poem's syria. shirley was killed july 14th, and mactaggart killed on august 3rd. it took weeks to get their bodies back here to the united states, because again, they went over there on their own accord to join these foreign forces to fight against that terrorist group. because they're not members of the military, that's why it took their families weeks. we've been following up with them about their battle to try to arrive, one final trip home. we'll be here with those families as they arrive at union station in a little while. live down, i'm jason gruenauer, denver 7. >>> legacy hig

at the sites with the most crashes, of the 4 intersections with red light cameras, only 1, 8th and speer boulevard is in the top 10. the other 3 intersections don't even crack the top 25. >> we would agree with you that, and that is part of the new contract is we would like to be able to use that technology where it is needed best. >> we know these, when they put

the program may extend to speer park. two bears in california, but a brave dog said, not my neighborhood and chased them off. >> the trio went swimming in two different pools. the bears were last spotted in a tree. >>> some problems for samsung as it looks into fire problems with one of its devices. >> we have breaking tech news, one of its devices. >> the gallxy phones. >> customers can trade it in for another model. >>> this tractor is driverle, controlled using a gps system. >> it's monitored and controlled using a computer or a tablet. >>> the sony walkman was once the thing for listening to music. it even became one of the best selling gadgets of all time. >> now the it plays audio files. it's plateed in real gold, which sony says imthe audio. but the cost is about 3200 bucks. it's pricey. >> looks good, though. >> it does. >>> wal-mart is cutting 7,000 positions. they say the jobs in question fall mostly unner accounting and bookkeeping and this is at -?stores all across the u.s. th are starting a new system for sto

understand the action that happened last night at around 8:00 o'clock at the intersection of downing and speer on the side of downtown denver what's right by the denver country club area police are not sure if o'connor was a riding her bike a statement a short time ago saying we are heartbroken by the loss of our colleague colleen had a generous spirit and a big part that made her a treasured part of our newsroom the same qualities he showed in her work in the stories of the that she told with sensitivity and compassion jesus carino's been held right now by the denver police again he is being held without bond and could be in court as early as this morning. >> often developing out this hour there is a shooting investigation happening right on the area of 76 in pecos in adams county according to investigators a neighbor came across the body early this morning so far no arrests have been made stay with denver throughout the day with details key dvr.com will post as they come and she there were no injuries in an explosion that destroyed a watching a lot of the pictures coming across social media

they said they saw him dealing drugs near 14th and speer. that's when police say he through the drugs over a fence just before he was caught. the surveillance ideo shows the dogs eating the drugs. one of them almost died. >>> the woman who oversees de cadet program is out of a job. manager kim fresquez was fired for bullying and inappropriately touching male and female cadets. cadets also say fresquez withheld overtime pay and that is against federal law. she can still appeal to the career service authority board. >>> pilot error is what caused a blue angels pilot from durango to crash his f-18 at a tennessee airshow. the navy report says marine fast and too low and lost control of his jet. this is according to the report. he was killed. the report also cites fatigue and weather as contributive factors. >>> controversy at a commerce city school over whether there's a bedbug problem. like this. students say they've seen the bugs in the school. district administrators deny it. here it is one of the pictures circulating at adams city high schoo

convention center and it's affecting all the light rail trains going in ann out of downtown denver between speer and basically about 15th or so. so we do have the light rails delayed. d line and i believe f line delayed and roads restricted if not completell closed with there police activity. not sure what police are looking for yet. but they do have this area at least restricted around the 3 rail is running again across dowwtown. rtd does not have a bus bridge set p yet, but sounds like they might be setting that up, and at least 30-minute delay going to downtown. rest of the drive around town looks okay, including getting out to dia. wait time at the airport, longest is 13 minutes and plenty of space is still available at the area lots. this, by the way, is, take a look, is why? because a tractor-trailer headed to the u.s. mint in philly crassed on i-95 in delaware, spilling 45,000 pounds of blank pennies. there were millions of them all over the road. the cleanup took 13 hours as they literally vacuumed up the blanks from the highway. the driver escaped the crash with just minor injuries. >>

christian ramirez was running from officers tuesday after they saw him dealing drugs around 14th and speer. ramirez threw the drugs over the fence before he was caught. in fact, this is surveillance video. it shows the dogs eating the drugs. one of the dogs nearly died. >>> bedbugs anywhere makes your skin crawl. tonight controversy at a students say they have seen bedbugs in the school. administrators deny it. denver7's mark boyle was at adams city high school tonight. a lot of parents were taking their kids word for it. >> reporter: they were lined up around the school pulling their kids out. the questton, is this a lot of buzz or is there a big bedbug problem at the high school? we want to show you a picture classroom on the end of a pencil. they say students have seen them and began calling their parents today. much of the day parents were lined up trying to get the kids out of school, but the district said they fumigated last night after first hearing reports late yesterday and haven't yet seen any proof of any insect infestation here. still some parents aren't takiig any chances. >>

the russian scientists aren't allowed to shoot the polar bears because the bears are an endangered speersso instead they are i trooing to scare them off with flair guns. you about i think there is something else they could do. they could do better than that. think about it, you are climate scientists, are you trying to frighten the polar bears, just show them your research. this is what is happening to you. this is what is happening am are you afraid now. are you afraid? now let's-- that bear is a fraidz. look at him. let's move on and talk about america. here is the thing about america that always surprises me. i don't know how many different ways you can spell the name caitlyn, it is how big this country is. i mean russia is physically bigger but america is the biggest country in a different way. this country is so big it can go in two different drekszs at the same time-- shall directions at the same time. for example, take guns, right? that is what half the country wants to do, take guns, right? but while that is going on, the other half of the country, they're doing the exact opposite

speer. i yield back t balance of time. the speer pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the geneman from california seek recoition? without objection, the gentlen s recognized for one minute. >> thank y, mr. eaker. i rise to support the 260 min americansligibl to vote and recognize september7 as natiol voter registration day. mr. honda: year is different with recent attacks on our democracy, unscrupulous actors seek to gn access to confidenti ansensitive information to distort the outcome of our lees. in arizona, the secretary of state took oline the voter registration database because of credible threats to the system. in illinois, 15 million records were recently exposed and 200,0 accessed by hackers. the rusian government hacked the democratic party's emails in an attempt to distort our election. our elections sld be fr of eign iluence as representative of silicon vaey, i value technogy in our democracy. that's why i introduced legislation to introduce vetting technology crical infraructure to give local offices the resources theyee to protect dm

this morning we are focusing on a 56-year-old man who sleeps alongside speer boulevard wraaped in an american flag. his life took an unfortunate turn when he got divorced and his wife got custody and he had to start paying child support. after suffering a heart attack download our free denver 7 app. >>> by next week we could have documents about the overbudget at the aurora va hospital. congress is considering subpoenaing the va for thousands of pages from the investigation that found most executives responsible for the cost increases had already retired. the cost jumped from $600 million originally to $1.7 billion. >>> brock turner walked out of jail yesterday morning after serving three months for raping an unconscious woman. abc news got a look at the cell where he was locked up with cell mates kept separate from other inmates because their crimes made them targets for attacks. many considered the sentence too lenient and still want to >> at the end of the day it can all be undermined by a judge like aaron persky whose objectivity is clouded by rape culture. >> turner will have to

the speer pro tempore: mr. chairman. the chair: mr. speaker. the committee on the whole house on the state of the union has haunder consideration h.r. 5063 and pursuant to house resolution 843 i report the ill back to the house with an amendment adopted in the committee of the whole. the speaker pro tempore: the chair of the committee of the whole house on the state of the union reports that the committee has had under consideration the bill h.r. 5063, pursuant to house resolution 843, reports the bill back to the house with an amendment adopted in the committee of the whole. under the rule the previous question is ordered. is a separate vote demanded on any amendment to the amendment reported from the committee of the whole? if not, the committee is on adoption of the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute as amended. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes havet. the amendment is agreed to. the question isn engrossment and third reading of the bill. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. ayes have it. third reading.

the program may also expand to speer park. town. >> there are. >> and today is the perfect day to get out there. >> it's nice. no rain falling in denver now, but could get a few more thunderstorms this afternoon. here's your weather headlines. we're looking at temperatures that will be in the 80s, closee to 80 today. a lot warmer tomorrow. then we've got a better chance for storms both today and potentially even tomorrow afternoon. there's also a threat for a little severe weather. i'll show you what we're expecting in just a minute. first, a live look at village. conditions a little bit drier now. enough they were able to get the tent set up and fun happening there. from our viera wireless camera in akron, we've got clouds building on the eastern plains. it's been a cloudy week out east. akron is a spot where we could see stronger storms this afternoon. it's the area shaded in green, ?o areas east of i-25. one big threat with some of large -- could be larger hail. futurecast, denver will likely see a few more thunderstorms an

i-25 and speer is so light, a nice easy transition into downtown, we are loving a start that looks like this. coming up in a few, we will preview the i-70 travel forecast back into town, those peak hours are expected to pack in with thousands of folks heading back into the city. town, stays open until 8:00 p.m. turkey legs and funnel cakes rising into the sky. >> there it is. you said it all there. thank you very much, amelia, we'll check back with you in a bit. >>> now to politics and the campaign, senator bernie sanders hitting the campaign trail today. for democratic presidential nominee, hillary clinton. he's going to be in new hampshire for his first solo campaign event for his former rival. she expected to highlight clinton's plan economy, that works for all americans, not just the wealthy. hillary clinton lost new hampshire to bernie sanders in the primary election. >>> clinton's poll numbers are dropping but her republican opponent isn't gaining grounlt. he is losing more republicans, arizona republican senator jeff flake announced sunday he wasn't ready to vote for trump becaus

degrees cooler from just 24 hours ago with some showers around town, some of them outside our home on speer and logan, those clouds over mile high now and breezy. that cold front right now is stationed over the central part of the country. funny thing is just to the northwest of us over in wyoming, parts of montana they have winter weather advisories in effect. don't worry. we don't have any snow headed to colorado just. we could see some in the mountain peaks overnight, but no travel advisories have been issued. that might come as a hear for some of you who aren't ready for that abrupt change in the forecast, right? here's what we've got now. storms are pushing in from the southwest, some carrying a bit more lightning towards the san juans and closer to the front range mountains. some storms to the south carrying lightning near el paso county. the view around town is that some of these clouds that we have are creating just a little bit of rain to the south of us. that's where we have those storms dropping a bit more rain elbert county. the threat of any severe weather today in colorado is

what this cold front did, outside of our studios here, this is our home speer and logan. you can see how those trees are moving like crazy in front of the camera. the flags are, too. clouds right now are just partly cloudy. those winds coming in from the north, gusts now up to 20, even 30 miles per hour across colorado and mostly coming in from the north, but this was a dry front that swept through. so we're mainly dry across the state. only a few clouds have increased over colorado and mainly the front range, but it's over parts of the dakotas and out towards the midwest where we currently have that cold front causing a little commotion in the form of showers, thunderstorms and heavy rain. that's where we find the threat for severe weather this afternoon and evening while in colorado. our forecast is expected to be calm tonight, a little breezy and chilly. the rest of the afternoon will look like this. our skies will gradually clear as those temperatures drop. our overnight lows are expected to drop that's a little chilly in comparison to what we've seen previous evening

the view outside of our home here on speer and logan, raindrops on the camera. it just looks really gray and gloomy ou storms and some more showers for your afternoon commute or anywhere you have to travel this afternoon or evening. it's not going to be widespread, but you could see those isolated storms around town through the remainder of today. 49 will be your overnight low. we're tracking some showers possibly even into overnight hours. those clouds stick around and some more fog will develop through tomorrow. here's a look at the timing of those storms. it's south of us where we could amount of rainfall in northern colorado, northeast colorado weather staying pretty dry. heads up. by tomorrow morning those are the areas where we're seeing that fog develop and visibility could be reduced. stick around. coming up in the forecast i've got a whole lot more to talk about. temperatures are cool today, but how long will it stay cool? we've got another chance for storms in the forecast for the rest of the week and it's not too early to look at the weekend, is it? w

it prompted evacuations, but the only remaining evacuation order is for speer creek summer homes, where several outbuildings were damaged by the fire. >>> closer to home, we are starting off with gray skies and really cool temperatures around the bay. mid-to upper 50s. today wield stay on the cool side. the futurecast shows the clouds pulling back to the coast later on today. temperatures anywhere from 5-8 degrees below average for this time of year. if your holiday weekend plans take you to the high country, tahoe is looking great, sunny and comfortable today there, 73 degrees, temperatures in the low 70s up there today, upper 60s tomorrow, and we'll cool slightly for tomorrow and then warp slightly for monday for your holiday. why? a deepening trough, and temperatures will cool as we enhance that marine influence, deepen the marine layer. could ocean temperatures, 5 degrees now compared to this time last year, 10 degrees warmer, and we saw warmer temperatures at this time in the summer. don't worry. the warmest time for us here in the bay area is still to come, generally september and

speer i was shocked that we did not know too much about it. it happened last year.>> the students deserve the right to feel comfortable and safe in their environment. >> the professor denies the allegations and his lawyer calls the investigation process flawed and says the university did not seriously listen to witness statements refuting the claims of his accuser. >>> today the contra costa county district attorney's office is holding what it calls a day of action in an effort to combat human trafficking. later today dist. atty. mark peterson and other local leaders will hand out information posters to businesses and those will outline the state law proposal which requires certain types of businesses to post notices informing the public of hotline numbers to seek help or report human trafficking activity, contra costa county to mr. voss supervisor will be here later and will talk about the day of action this morning on the nine. >>> a major league victory for san francisco-based uber, a federal appeals court ruled that uber drivers cannot fil

the first time genetic tests found large enough differences to classify giraffes as four distinct speers eacies. southern giraffe, misai and the spots and horns are difference. >> what is the difference? >> it's their spots and their horns. >> and the length of their neck. >> and the length of their neck. >> that's what it is. >> see what you learn on "cbs this morning"? i don't know the difference. no. >> turning from giraffe to heroism. in 2009 u.s. airways captain sully sullenberg landed a survived. sully became the national hero. he is now a cbs news aviation and safety contributor. tom hanks is playing him in a movie directed by clint eastwood. we boarded a coast guard ship this week with sully. we sailed back to where his miracle on the hudson story unfolded. >> okay i want to you tell me this as candidly and honestly as you can. ten pilots, ten pilots, faced the same decision, decide to i this on the hudson, how many would have done it? there's no tnvinkn but id a lot professional colleagues would find a way to do somethi similar and wld find a way to save the lives of their passe

this is a beautiful look froo our tower cam at speer and lincoln. winds are gusty from the south-southeast at 11 miles per hour, this will calm down throughout the morning. but the temperatures right now outside, we are stepping out the door, 44 right now in city park, 37 in bennett, 29 degrees currently in frazier. our front range forecast, though, for the rest of the day, do expect highssto be in the lower 80, 81 in greeley, 82 in fort collins , boulder expecting a high near 80 degrees, a lot of sunshine, so make sure you have we'll be hot tomorrow, but even cooler as we head throughout the next week. i'll have that coming up in a bit. eric. >>> katie. this man here behind bars is accused of luring a young girl for sex. right now, he's being held without bond. aurora police say vashaw thought he was talking online to a young girl and they planned to meet up at a hotel to have sex, but the police were on the other end. officers met him at that yesterday morning. denver7 spoke with vashaw's girlfriend who had in idea about the arrest. >> e's been ar

speer, for the purpose of a unanimous consent request. ms. speier: i ask unanimous consent to take up h.r. 1076, the burn no fly new york buy legislation to honor the memory of a constituent, tameka multry a school bus driver who was gunned down outside a doughnut shop. never a moment of action on her behalf. the speaker pro tempore: as previously announced, the unanimous consent request cannot be entertained. mr. mcgovern: i yield to ms. brownlee for a unanimous consent request. ms. brownlee: i ask unanimous consent to bring up h.r. 1076, the no fly new york buy legislation to honor the memory of michael crull who never received a moment of action on the house floor. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will suspend. as the chair advised on january 15, 2014, and march 26, of 2014, even though a unanimous consent request to consider a measure is not entertained, embellishments accompanying such request constitute debate and will become an imposition on the time of the member who yielded for that purpose. mr. mcgnch: i yield to the gentleman

speer is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader. ms. speier: i thank the speaker for this opportunity. tonight we're going to talk about pork ship. now you may be scratching your head, what's a pork ship? well, a pork ship was a name coined by politico, some may think maybe it's a create i barbecue dish or military historians may think it has something to do with bay of pigs. others may think an oscar mayer sponsored cruise liner. all those guesses would be wrong. the term actually applies to a chronically unreliable ship. the littoral combat ship how much unreliable is this ship? in just the last nine months, four of the six ships that we have built as littoral combat ships have been in trouble. they have broken down. as a member of the armed services committee, i've been working to rein in this program for years. unfortunately, the ship's -- the ships' manufacturers and some members of congress seem intent on throwing good money after bad. the o.c.s. has cost us almost $20 billion. $20 billion for six ships. but we have many more that

so we're seeing that much higher percentage of speer fishing attacks and other this other social engineering avenues. there's also a lack of visibility continuing to hinder the ability to determine if users are complying with policies. is your training working? yes, insider threat is so '80s. but we still have the problem. people aren't listening. our staffs are turning over. so as joyce and pete talked about earlier, we're having an aging workforce, especially in the federal government. millennials are coming in. their view of security is different. than most of us in this room. so we have to just be very aware of that. 57% of respondents to the survey said that organizations do not have capabilities to effectively monitor privileged user activity. your privileged user is the one you have given the keys to the kingdom. so how do you know when they're not doing something they're supposed to be doing or doing something they're not supposed to be doing? we have to be very cognizant of that. it's a different type of insider. >> something that's -- i mentioned a few times tonight is that it's sa