speier campos did also reach -- speier campos did also reach out to me and let knee know about this joint meeting idea. i was very reseptemberive -- receptive to it. and i've been c.c.ed on a lot of community organizations have been invited. so we have to balance that interest also. and just recognize that. that they've done quite a bit of outreach for next week. also, this is partially an announcement, the speier campos yesterday -- supervisor campos announced an ordinance to define what community policing is and comesas a surprise -- comes as a surprise not a definition of community policing. the proposed ordinance, the definition sounds receipt on the money to me. community policing is a partnership with the communities and as you see the language, you probably agree with most of it. i believe that he has six other co-sponsors so there's seven supervisors that are supporting the introduction of that ordinance. so the likelihood of it passing is quite high. so we do need to discuss this since it votches the commission. i was going to ask to agendaize for the joint hearing just a very si

. >> i think that -- i think that should be a dedicated discussion that you should have with speier campos. and i think you should have it offline. it sounds like that the ordinance that supervisor campos is speaking to is new to you. and it is still in the queue. so you have some time and i think that it warrants a discussion offline that the two of you should have. but it segues into the way that we can just close on this. and one, i think that that is what's kind of missing philosophically in san francisco. community policing should not be shouldered unilaterally by the san francisco police department. i think it's an unfair expectation. and an uneven -- i think anticipation that it's -- the san francisco police department that has to lead the effort in community policing. i'm not so sure i'm even down with the -- done with the definition yet becauseness an evolution and a work in progress. for example, i just said that your resources, $444 million budget is what we've expended. our population in san francisco has not risen that much that much in the last 25 years. so proportion to the